A guaranteed hit for 30 muni? Worth it! |
1 panzerschreck can almost kill a kv8 if it keeps moving/dodging.
All people get muted/ignored by me that dont come with real arguments or talk nonesense.
Chukiki proceeds to mute himself. xD |
If anything then one thing I may want to get changed about stormtroopers is that in Elite troops doctrine they can be upgraded with their old 4x panzergrens stg 44 package (+tactical assault) instead of the G43s, at their old price of 100 munis. Less effective at close range, but much better at longer ranges and better wipe potential with tactical assault. Would make 'elite troops' doctrine actually contain a decent elite troop. |
Mr. floating MG42 on 250 halftrack is questioning your so called "acceptable bar for the vanilla game".
Yes and I guess even the new vickers k on the churchill or the upcoming mg on the stug e will have this issue, but the point is that these are only noticable if you zoom in on them.
If such a change were coming imminently, sure, but if we're going to be waiting for quite a long time before getting such changes, I'd argue it's better to provide OKW with similar options to other factions as a stopgap.
Exactly, right now the trend is that all other factions got versatile forward reinforcement. In fact they even got buffs to them last patch (healing in M5 halftrack, command and medic bunker can be combined). Also, keep in mind that players would have to pay the full price for an another bg hq, taking fuel resources that could be spent on tanks (similarly to halftracks that also cost some fuel). |
Actually I suggested redeployment before, the problem is, even in all units mod, that playing the deployment animation backwards is not possible. I mean all units mod kinda achieves it, but it's quite choppy and doesn't really meet the acceptable bar for the vanila game unfortunately. |
Just a simple idea: allow okw to build more than one battlegroup hq. Each one would have to be upgraded separately for both reinforcements and medics (so it includes all the fuel costs too). On the other hand okw would gain the option for some more versatility at forward reinforcements (they are limited to one right now, except for the blitz truck in feuersturm).
Perhaps the other buildings could be enabled too, like for the repair engineers at mechanized hq, tho the fuel costs there are much higher and thus unlikely to be utilized. |
As a frequent stormtrooper user I can confidently tell that they are in a very good spot now, no changes needed at all.
Just use their camo ability as intended, it lasts for a while even out of cover. If you want to be super aggressive with them, then pick encirclement doctrine, they get sprint there which makes them significantly better at surprise attacks. |
I have encountered this too with a raketenwerfer, similarly it was being reinforced, then two abandoned raketens were left behind. |
I agree, the Gren G43 upgrade isnt really fitting for the unit, they're simply not a close-range squad, and they shouldnt need to be: That's what Pgrens are for. I'd agree that a JLI-like upgrade would be a better fit... but I'm just not sure it would be balanced in the context of OST.
Pgrens with G43s really do do an awful lot of damage at long (max) range, vet3 is ~20.25 vs LMG grens at vet3 with 23.61, assuming the seralia numbers are accurate. Pgrens then have the further benefit of keeping most of their DPS on the move, and being monstrous close up, in comparison to the LMG grens. Very strange.
I had an idea of making grenadier G43s more effective at longer range (but still lower dps than lmg), justifying that 60 muni cost while PGs and Storms would get a single infrared Stg instead of G43s (perhaps 2 for the latter), improving them all around but not making them like a better grenadier squad. I mean it's nacht jaeger equipment, so it kinda fits into the jaeger package.
Edit: ober infared stg44 would be overkill, but a weaker version could work. Like even slightly weaker than the pg stg44 (those battery packs ain't light) but granting the anti cover bonus. |
It might be too strong. OSTheer already have a sniper, and them getting JLI for 240MP is probably a recipe for disaster.
True.
Gren G43s are just in a weird position where their advantages are really just temporary and eventually allied infantry tend to outmatch them. I mean back when cons had no 7th man upgrade, sure, I used them all the times, but now Tightrope's video shows that even there they get matched pretty evenly... in a best case scenario for grens.
On the other hand PG G43s are ridiculously strong, like they do almost as much dps as lmg grens at long range. |