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Thread: New Commander patchnotes discussion thread21 Mar 2019, 01:27 AM Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2019, 00:18 AMJackiebrown Doesn't this seem a bit redundant? Brits already have a commander with a halftrack call-in that also drops infantry weapon pickups (this one doesn't), plus Brits don't really have trouble in the forward outpost/reinforcement department. M3 Stuart call in maybe? There was a cool suggestion in the stream: replace the M3 halftrack with the M5 halftrack. That means you're not using the same model as the Resupply HT, and brings the M5 Quad into the balancing scope. Secondly, I think Smoke Raid Operation is a little redundant in the new UKF commander. UKF has a lot of smoke to begin with, and the commander also gives you 81mm Smoke and Assault Section White Phosphorous grenades. Maybe replace it with Vehicle Crew Repairs? The M10 and USF halftracks are balanced around having decrew repair after all. In: Lobby
Thread: New Commander patchnotes discussion thread20 Mar 2019, 22:27 PM If Urban Assault gets the Dozer Upgrade, could Mechanized lose it? This is a good opportunity to move some stuff out of the overloaded commanders without scrapping it entirely. Some Overwatch stuff moving to Grand Offensive would also be neat. In: Lobby
Thread: Thoughts on Panzergrenadiers20 Mar 2019, 17:44 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Mar 2019, 17:38 PMIncendiaryRounds Meanwhile USF gets assault inf on literally all doctrines except inf company Tactical Support Company, Rifle Company, Recon Support Company. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Thoughts on Panzergrenadiers20 Mar 2019, 12:14 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Mar 2019, 12:10 PMFelinewolfie I think USF Riflemen should be 250 manpower. Thoughts? How does that relate to Panzergrenadiers? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is the Elite Troops Doctrine worth it?20 Mar 2019, 11:53 AM Would it? G43s deal more damage and make your squad very good on the move, Veteran Squad Leaders make your squad a lot tougher. In a doctrine with Stormtroopers providing the damage, the tougher VSL upgrade might be more useful. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Commander KV1 and Easy8 rework idea's20 Mar 2019, 11:38 AM The E8 is an excellent tank in a trash doctrine. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Thoughts on Panzergrenadiers19 Mar 2019, 19:34 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2019, 19:06 PMFarlon Grenadiers used to be T0? I know that MG42 used to be in T1 but I dont remember grens even being T0 I could be wrong. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Thoughts on Panzergrenadiers19 Mar 2019, 18:33 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2019, 18:30 PMmurky depths Wait, what? How would you even get Grenadiers without T1? If the enemy blows up T1 the Panzerfaust is disabled. As for why, iirc Grenadiers used to be T0. They got swapped with the MG42 when USF came out. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Thoughts on Panzergrenadiers19 Mar 2019, 18:03 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2019, 15:50 PMEsxile Well since you made in on paper, I thought it would be important to keep it in line on paper. Now from a realistic point of view, its all depend on what you get with that early T2. You can't reasonably think that with such a big change the meta will still be the same. Agreed. My line of thinking is, if Ostheer deploys an early T2 with either Assault Grenadiers or Ostruppen to support, what can UKF field in response with the same amount of resources? The answer's a larger force of T0 units, even with the 5-man upgrade. If OST goes all in on PGrens, UKF has the UC to bleed then. If Ost mixes in HMGs, Osttruppen and/or Assgrens, they'll have fewer PGrens. If they build T1 and Grens, they'll be spending even more up front on tech. With more squads, UKF can match for firepower in a army vs army battle, and can gain more map control if they spread out, especially with faster Infantry Section capping. It'd be like going up against a Penal Batallion build with a decent HMG but no car. If they only deploy one Panzergrenadier, that's setting them back 540 MP at the start of the game. They'll get it back later when they don't have to build the T2 they've already built, but is one PGren worth 2 Grens? The balance of a T2 opening hinges on the higher manpower cost translating into reduced field presence relative to building a lot of Grenadiers. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Thoughts on Panzergrenadiers19 Mar 2019, 15:29 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2019, 14:32 PMEsxile Because Teching provides new abilities and units. With the same amount of manpower Ostheer is able to field the same amount of unit + teching progression while UKF still need to tech to reach the same level of opportunities. Similarly we could argue that it would be perfectly fine vs USF since USF can field as many riflemen squads for the same price. The difference between USF building a ton of T0 and UKF building a ton of T0 is UKF heavy T0 is the dominant strategy right now and USF heavy T0 is so bad the faction was reworked to avoid it. You're right in that UKF will have to pay a teching cost Ostheer's already paid with a T2 opening, but by that point upkeep and reinforcement cost have muddied the waters. Who has the advantage at that point is down to map control and manpower bleed, and that's much harder to assess and predict. I think you'd need to playtest it to really get a feel for the dynamic beyond the initial build order. In: COH2 Balance