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Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage5 Jun 2019, 11:58 AM Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 11:57 AMStug life to add to this i just tested the Churchill with most heavy tank and panther, it manages to at least bring them to half HP before dying, so I can safely say that the gun on the Churchill is not impotent At what range and how many times? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage5 Jun 2019, 11:55 AM Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 11:34 AMmrgame2 While i wont 1v1 Churchill against panther, i also say panther is no hard counter against it. You need heavy micro to keep its 260 armor facing its fast turning high accurate gun... funny you think that panther shouldn't go against allies td, but here the situation, panther are not effective counter. The Panther is a very effective counter if you know how to use it. And if a Churchill is flanking a Panther, chances are that Panther's player doesn't. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage5 Jun 2019, 11:09 AM Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 06:58 AMSeductiveCardbordBox The churchill and KV-1 won't be worth using at range suddenly just by giving them more RNG dependant health pools, nor will making the Church a random gamble on it dying before it even gets close enough to throw a grenade. I suggestion was lower the health by two AT gun shots so it's the same as the majority of heavy tanks, including the KV-1. In return, it gets the KV-1's +25% repair speed (so it's on the field more rather than spending most of its time eating up your entire repair capacity) and frontal smoke shells. That gives it the ability to blind AT guns and HMGs. It's still a Tiger's worth of hit points and armour for 165 FU, but now it can do more than eat shells. I personally think that's a net improvement. Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 09:37 AMdistrofio I wonder if churchills could be buffed with a self critical repair skill to figth that crawlspeed could be possible. They've got a veterancy ability where they repair their own engines. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 20:06 PM For the Churchill: I reckon shift 60 armour from the back to the front (300/120), reduce hit points to 800, 0.8 received damage. That gives it 1000 effective hit points and +25% repair speed. That's a seven shot kill from an AT gun, same as the IS-2, Tiger, Croc and AVRE. (The live Churchill is a nine shot kill). Move the smoke shell from the Crocodile to the standard Churchill. The Croc has a flamer: it doesn't need to blind anti-tank guns. The standard Churchill, however, would definitely appreciate it. For the KV-1: Give it the same armour values as the KV-2: 300 frontal, 120 rear. That makes the KV-1 a little better at range, but rewards flanking it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 17:20 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 17:17 PMVipper Now you simply have moved way past a balance thread into philosophy. There are Philosopher that argue that "absolute truth" exist and those argue it does not. You can read their opinions, justification and argue with them. For me it is quite clear that in the current system an lmg-42 with damage 1.000, accuracy 100% and penetration 1.000 would be simply be game breaking and thus those values are simply "too high". I don't have to establish what the upper limit is before I can safely make that claim. If you do not like the term replace it with what ever suits you, it works for me fine and I will continue using it. Once more have a nice day. It's not philosophy. It's literally the definition of the word 'objective'. If you say your opinion is a fact you're either mistaken or lying. If you're unable to tell the difference between actual facts and your opinions then you have no place on a balance forum. All your 'too high' claims are opinions. They may be well-researched and reasoned opinions but they are still opinions. They are not facts. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 16:56 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 16:51 PMVipper "Giving LMG-42 damage 1.000 accuracy, 100% and penetration 1.000 would too high." Am I stating an opinion or fact? Do I have to establish an upper limit before I can state that? In literal terms, you're stating nothing at all. You're making a comparison but aren't saying what you're comparing to. If we assume your "too high" has an implicit "to be balanced" on the end of it, then you're stating an opinion. A no doubt widely held opinion, but an opinion nonetheless. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 16:11 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 15:43 PMVipper Not really it is too high for a vehicle with a role a slow heavy infatry support tank compared to other tank and especially other heavy Tank. It more than double than what KV-1 has for particular reason and that make its simply "too high". Now pls stop semantics pointless arguing and move on. What is the highest acceleration the Churchill can have that is not 'too high'? Prove this without using opinions, and we'll accept your claim as objective fact. Else it's nothing more than your opinion. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Fix OKW Sturm Offizier 4 Jun 2019, 15:30 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 14:28 PMSander93 I was only correcting that in the case of such a vet 0 healing ability, its utility wouldn't drop off over time because in it's likely that after the patch with Breakthrough the majority of the infantry composition is going to be Panzerfusiliers, who do not get passive healing with veterancy. Ah. What I was saying was the utility drops off the higher level of veterancy you lock it behind. Very useful at Vet 0. Less useful locked behind Vet 1. Practically useless locked behind Vet 5. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 15:21 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 15:06 PMVipper Now that value is clearly objectively and undisputed TOO HIGH especially taking into account that role of vehicle. No. No it is not. If something is "too high", it is above an acceptable limit. Too high to. If you want to prove something is too high then you have to define what that acceptable limit is. If you want to prove it objectively, you have to do so without involving opinion. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage4 Jun 2019, 14:56 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jun 2019, 14:52 PMStug life well, at least lower than the frontal armor of a medium tank That's a fair opinion. What Vipper doesn't seem to get is it's not an objective fact. In: COH2 Balance