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Thread: Give UKF mortar emplacement a minor fuel cost6 Jun 2019, 16:30 PM It's the same problem as the sniper, really. It's an all-or-nothing unit design on an expensive, high value unit. The moment it goes up, you have to commit to destroying it. I think both the Bofors and Mortar Pit need fairly drastic changes. Halve the cost and halve the performance across the board. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 16:12 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 14:17 PMVipper Are you stating a fact or expressing your opinion? I think pretty much everything involved in balancing the game at this point is opinion. The only facts the balance team has to work with are unit stats. Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 14:17 PMVipper No you simply balance the performance of the unit vs medium and super heavies separately, it does not have to do with simplicity or flexibility. I mean switchable rounds are more complicated than non-switchable rounds. I don't think that's a contentious statement. Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 14:17 PMVipper Are you stating a fact or expressing your own personal opinion? If you have any stat on how many people think there is something wrong with Jackson vs Panzer IV and how many people think there is nothing wrong with it pls share. A rough impression from reading the forums. You're the only person I recall complaining about the Jackson/P4 matchup. Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 14:17 PMVipper Finally how much weight do you put in "common viewpoint" when ti comes to balance? I know some people who have turned claiming that only Top player opinion matter when it comes to balance into a carrier. Now that's a question and a half. Empirically, I'd say Relic's current method has worked so far. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 13:47 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 13:13 PMVipper And again my suggestion is not make the PzIV able to deal with M36 but basically not be an XP source being fired upon from range 60 with 100% chance to be hit and penetrated. I still have not seen a single reason why this solution is bad. It's a good solution to a problem that doesn't exist. If, as you suggest, you give the Jackson one set of shells for heavies and one set of shells for mediums, you can balance them independently and change the performance of one without changing the performance of the other. You trade simplicity for flexibility. But there isn't widespread agreement that there's anything wrong with the Jackson vs Panzer IV matchup in the first place. You think there is, yes, but it doesn't seem to be a common viewpoint. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 13:01 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 12:48 PMEsxile OKW and Ostheer also have plenty of stuff to counter Jacksons, even more stuff if we includes mines and medium TDs. So what? Like what? The Jackson, by necessity, is a cost efficient nondoctrinal counter to every enemy vehicle. It beats both Panzer IVs unless they can get in close without being hit, in which case it's a fair fight. All things considered it's a fair fight against the more expensive Panther. The StuG can only attack frontally and has 50 range. A vetted Jackson three-shots it. And all those assume the Jackson has no support to fall back to. That only really leaves the JPIV. Maybe that's the answer? Leave the Jackson be and buff the range on the StuG? Even the SU-76 has 60 range. That way both OKW and OST have a unit that can trade efficiently with a Jackson at range, but both those units are casemates that can be circlestrafed and outmaneuvered up close? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 12:43 PM That'd just make the Panther better against the only nondoctrinal units designed to fight it. The price could do with tweaking, but you can't screw with the performance too much without moving the lost functionality onto another unit. The JPIV can be an anti-medium/anti-TD unit because the Panther exists. If it didn't, the JPIV would also need to handle anti-heavy duties. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage6 Jun 2019, 12:35 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 12:14 PMmrgame2 Oh concept of flanking and rear armor needs to change, like i say 50% hit box is big area. This armor buff is all about reducing cheap shots. Right now panther rear can deflect the stuart bren t70, basically not what is expected for latest non doc tank, and from one which needs to close up on super heavies imo You could give the Panther zero rear armour and a Sherman still won't kill it with max range rear armour shots unless the Panther player is afk. Because a competent Panther player isn't going to leave it there for 30 seconds. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 12:33 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 11:59 AMEsxile Then you'll just need to get 2 or 3 Luch/PUMA to completely shutdown USF entire late game. Would you? If mediums or heavies countered the Jackson, then yes, but lights? USF has plenty of stuff to fight lights with. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Another UKF Mortar Proposal6 Jun 2019, 11:53 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 11:50 AMadamírcz Unfortunately Non-Doc mobile mortar for Brits was refused by Lelic So were UKF snares. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage6 Jun 2019, 11:52 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 11:45 AMmrgame2 I rather take it. Coh is about rng after all At vet0 100 armor frustrates the aec Cromwell, t3476, sherman, valentine. At vet2 120 armor, it frustrates the t3485, churchill, kv1, m4c 120 armour does nothing to a T-34/85 or M4C. If a KV-1 or Churchill is flanking your Panther, you screwed up big time. There used to be a mechanic on the biggest tanks called the Deflection Stun. If their shells bounced, they had a low chance to hard stun the bouncing tank for 5 seconds. They removed it because it meant you'd just randomly win or lose a tank fight because the deflection stun came up. It was too improbable to plan around, but potentially game-swinging when it did. If you think that sort of mechanic is a good idea, then we just don't agree at all on game design philosophy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage6 Jun 2019, 11:34 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 11:28 AMmrgame2 Because its a small buff and fair. Allies med gun are 80-120 max range, so it reduces cheap shot from max range, allies need play the same close in micro, panther hp can be considered useful, late game heavies have more stress to stay in the fight knowing its harder to hit for 160 No, it doesn't. It creates low probability bounces, which are highly frustrating for the attacker when they happen but too inconsistent for the defender to rely on. Relic calls it 'bad RNG'. That's why the penetration values are set where they are. In: COH2 Balance