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Thread: Rework Penals1 Jan 2019, 20:54 PM Rank 57 in 4vs4 team as Ostheer and 163 in 3vs3. As Soviet I play versus my own team if we are too many. Saying, I have friends. Games has to be funny. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rework Penals1 Jan 2019, 20:47 PM Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2019, 20:45 PMKatitof No, in 3v3 and 4v4 99% of players are UTTER NOOBS. Literally the very worst players in the entire game stick and play this game mode. You can spam Kubels and win games against 3v3 and 4v4 players, because their skill level is trash. Go check steam forums, where they can't hide their player cards, each and EVERY single "balance" thread is from rank 3000+ 3v3 or 4v4 RT players that exclusively play one faction, THAT is where your kind is, that is where you will find players who will support your case, because that is a nest of noobs. Exclusively most notorius axis fanboys here say there is something wrong with penals. Saying you have no friends? No trolling, real question. This game has this game modes, so balance them. And nerfing penals, to upgrade their performcane instead, will not kill their 1vs1 performance. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rework Penals1 Jan 2019, 20:23 PM Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2019, 20:17 PMblvckdream One quick question for the people who think Penals are OP and a no-brainer for Soviets. Why did we rarely see them in GCS 2 and in only about 50% of Soviet games in AC 2v2? Wanna know the answer? Because they are not OP. It´s a L2P issue if you don´t know how to counter Penals. Because their game mechanic changes in larger team games. That is why. And soviets are balanced for 1vs1 and 2vs2. And if penals get a nerf, we can buff the rest to a normal level. It is like old Volks-Blobbs with Schreck, they destroyed the multiplayer. In 1vs1 they are ok, I often said that. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rework Penals1 Jan 2019, 20:21 PM You simply don't get it? Penals arn't not cheap, that is what the numbers say, and that is why on 3vs3 and 4vs4 penal-blobbs as standard. You allways want numbers, if you get some you still are hating. It that is your desire, please, leaf the forum an play Pokemone Go etc. Penals will not be outnumberd if they get more per mp. That is the effect more dps per mp has. O In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rework Penals1 Jan 2019, 20:04 PM So, if you give them a normal AI upgrade later, we can nerf them for the start. And also the explosive is ways too strong for 45mun. It should destroy a Bunker, 6 should take out a okw base and one it shouldn't take out map-structures that easy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rework Penals1 Jan 2019, 19:47 PM Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2019, 19:44 PMKatitof That's not how it works. That's not how any of it works. How will you account panzerfaust, rifle nade, bunker building? How will you account different rec acc? How will you account weapon upgrades? You're just comparing numbers that are meaningless and you don't even compare units of the same or even similar weapon profiles. You see only what you want to see. Same for you, how did you count the ability to kill a OKW base for 135mun? How do you Count the ability do kill a 150 mp and 60mun object with only 45mun? And do you really know what that numbers are saying? Penals are allways more effective than a Grenadier until it gets it upgrade, and then it is only better on range 30. That is one tech and 60mun for one unit. And the small saying about seeing. Are you blind? Edit: Maybe you don't get it right. I give you an example what that numbers are saying. If Grens would be as effective as a Penal squad, it would cost ~190mp, less as Osttruppen. Sure, you can't count that exactly, because of smaller target sice, but if you now compare them with Osttruppen, even they arn't cost-effective anymore. Edit: And that is why I want to balance Penals and buff the rest of Soviets stuff instead. They are broken. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rework Penals1 Jan 2019, 19:35 PM Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2019, 19:25 PMKatitof ... I have to edit so thing: First tests were at range 10 not 20! (Relic's data only give 0/10/20/30) On range 30 Penals are 2,3% more cost-effective as a Grenadier. On range 20 Penals are 10,7% more costeffective as a Grenadier. On range 10 Penals are 22% more costeffective as a Grenadier. Also on paper the allways have higher dps without upgrade and without vet. For the higher survive-ability of 6men that isn't balanced. Sure Gren get the lmg42 = range 20 = 8,678 extra dps range 30 = 9,26 extra dps On range 30 that are 16,372 versus 13,062 On range 20 that are 18,684 versus 18,707 That means, that even with the teching and the upgrade for a LMG42 Grens are only have more dps over 20 range. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rework Penals1 Jan 2019, 19:26 PM Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2019, 19:25 PMFlyingsmonster By this logic, Sturmpioneers come "way too early for their performance." Also, Penals aren't really comparable to obers. God forbid Soviet have a decent infantry unit, right? Same as Tommies. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rework Penals1 Jan 2019, 19:24 PM Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2019, 19:18 PMKatitof Compare it at 30 range, which is intended grenadier engagement distance and tell what your math does then. And yes, that is balanced. 300 menpower squad is more effective then 240 menpower squad. That is EXACTLY how balance is supposed to work. I am going to blow your mind now, but listen and focus: 280 menpower squads are also more effective and have higher DPS then 240mp squad. Also, did you knew? A 200 mp osttruppen squad will be less effective then 240mp conscript squad? I don't know, but I see a great injustice here, cheaper squads should not lose to more expensive squads, right? 1. It is the effective per menpower invest. That means, that one men of Penal is 22% CHEAPER per for ist Performance than a Grenadier. That means, that you get 22% MORE firepower per menpower the unit costs. That means that Penals are 22% too cheap, if you say Grenadiers are balanced for their dps and price. Edit: wait some mins. ^^ In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rework Penals1 Jan 2019, 19:13 PM Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2019, 19:11 PMKatitof Mid range focused squad with no AI weapon upgrade does more mid range DPS then unupgraded long range squad that isn't supposed to be used without an upgrade? Oh boy! What an imbalance! Oh the injustice! So, does that comparison of yours have a point or you just wanted to compare 2 completely random squads with completely different intended engagement distance? They aren't role equivalents at all and each time you compare unupgraded obers, you're invoking obvious bias. You want to compare penals with obers, then STG obers is what you are looking for here. Go compare it now and return with results. That means that until T2 and 60mun upgrade Soviets are 22% more effective per menpower Investment that Ostheer. That is balanced? Edit: Should I also use all mp/fuel/mun needed for Obersoldaten? lol I think you simply have no idea of balancing. xD In: COH2 Balance