Has anyone realized that the reason t2 gets skipped now is that the options in it are shit?
222s get shredded by allied LVs, so you need to get a PaK to counter them. But having to bring the PaK to protect your 222s negates the advantage that light vehicles have, mobility
222s aren’t even that good at killing infantry.
By skipping t2, you effectively gain 200 manpower and 20 fuel by not having to get the building, don’t have to waste 60 fuel for double 222s to protect your grens from CQB infantry (PGrens do it better), and you aren’t encumbered by a PaK, you can get shreked PGrens instead and remain mobile
That is the reason why I also skipp it most time. 222 doesn't worth it most time, because it has no late-game benefits (since Ostwind is better AA). Maybe a replacement of its abilities would make it more attractive.
222: Replace Inf-detection with Blitzkrieg-mode like in CoH-1. Or give it the option to neutralice outposts.
251: It could get a repair-buff aura for Pioneers, so Ostheer could increase repair speed. (not under attack)
PaK40: good gun, Schreck and early StuG is better.
-> Also, remove the Scope! Make it a 222 upgrade, nerf it a litte bit. Give Ele the focus sight like SU85 back (Ele had it in earlier versions).
Do you at least agree the Ostwind might need a cost increase?
Yes, that sounds good for me.
But still, Ostheer is really weak in early game, until the 15min marker many Wehrmacht-player lose the match, because their weapon-types doesn't work on every map. Pioniere need a small revamp, that would had larger priority than that patch, in my opinion.
Buffing Comet? Churchill is too attractive, that is why you don't see it that often.
Better overwork UK teching, let Comet and Churchill be builtable at same time. Make Corc and Avre be a limited upgrade for chruchill etc.
Not a big advantage since using of 222 (which is 400 mp loss in this case) can easily "outprice" it's own build while just saving 200 mp may cause a bigger loss if opponent played right, especially since even pioneers are 25mp to reinforce.
When penals just have received their PTRS upgrade axis, especially ostheer, started to suffer from new meta, and people forgot for a while that soviet t2 even exists.. But now, as far as I can see, literally every match soviet player soon or not backtechs to get atleast a ZIS-3, even maxims are represent.
It is very hard to win a game without ATG and ATG is always useful somehow, so don't really see a future for this "only pgren" build.
As I said before, people just need to adopt.
1+ again, wonderful. So less posts, so much quality.
What are you talking about? Is this more satire? Can you stop making massive generalizations about the community? Read through this thread, most people have pushed back against big nerfs to the unit.
I minor cost increase is probably warranted, that often happens when a unit receives a decent amount of buffs
Why I am so angry? Because I know why people are so salty, their T70 now got a counter and Ostwind is able to make some damage now. Soviets still try to outplay Ost by old broken mechanics, after their OP tools got counters they now see how bad their micro and tactics is.
I lost many vehicles because of Bofors or Centaur when a plan went wrong. But I would never waist a P4 by drive into two Centaures AND then cry and say it is op.
it was outperformed by P4 because P4 is one of the best AI mediums in the game. P4 with pintle is actually even better AI DPS than comet
It makes more DPS, but is easier to counter. Not all more expensive vehicles have more dps. Comet e.g. is difficult to finish, better surviveability than P4
Not much time have gone afterpatch, people adopt slooooowly.
There is no problem in pgrens with pshreks, problem is that people want a T70.
Before patch T70 was a great choice against ostheer, because ostheer needed to bring in field more manpower and munitions just to counter it, or suffer from bad map control while T70 is uncountered.
Things havent changed, there still be another option for soviets in case of pshreks on field: the quad.
It is cheap and you pay exactly the same price for quad upgrade than ostheer for pshreks. Quad definitely will stand against pshreks because of suppression, and force ostheer to get a pak for countering. T2 is not skipped, voila.
(btw quad and T70 is deadly combo)
People just are accustumed to build orders, and they need to change them after this patch.
Now, close the thread. There are other problems to waist time.
Or your satire just sucks? And made your point less clear?
You made multiple serious posts on this page so idk why you couldnt just answer his question
Because this hole thread is satire.
Somebody loses his T34 because of stupidity. Now we are speak about nerfing an unit, which performs well. Some times ago there was also a thread about nerfing 222, because an idiot lost his T34.
Sherman shreds infantry, nobody cares. 105mm Sherman is better than Brummbär, nobody cares. Scott oneshots PaK-crews sometimes... -> nobody cares.
And now we are speaking about Ostwind? xD Come one...
You seem not to understand satire.
In which alternate reality is a T34/76 better than Ostwind and P4?
In same, where a P4 is cheaper and Ostwind has more pen than a T34.