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Thread: Buff Ostwind13 Nov 2018, 22:37 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2018, 22:20 PMelchino7 And that range is only 1 For what it matters, the damage is similar besides 0-10 range, which almost no infantry squad manages to get into range. Random thought. Would Ostwind with MG suppression be broken ? Talking about 1/2 bulletins level of suppression. One can simply make it a timed ability costing MU or a barrage similar to bofors. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I haven't seen a Soviet AT gun in at least six months.13 Nov 2018, 22:32 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2018, 22:21 PMZombiFrancis They are. Given the context of my post, I was referring to a time when PTRS were more effective than they are today. Much more so. They also tended to hit team weapons themselves and could often wipe an HMG squad by killing the gun itself. Though the eapon had low accuracy, the high damage made the RNG killing potential on the PTRS much harder to react to. The guards PTRS has always been, and continues to be, effective as an AI weapon. But it is not the best and it has absolutely been far more powerful in previous patches. The guard mosin is an excellent AI weapon. Unlike PTRS and DP-28s, it can be fired on the move. A 6 man mosin guard squad is the dream, personally speaking. (I still believe soviet t1 should feature a 6 man squad with guards mosins. Abilities and nomenclature up to the best arguments.) Again that is incorrect. The PTRS used to be trash vs AI because it's accuracy was lower than the accuracy of the current Penal PTRS. In a typical Relic way, they buffed the DPS by about 10 times and made it completely broken, after a couple of patches they lowered damage. In addition at the time Guards theoretical DPS was irrelevant because they would jump around instead of shooting. I am not sure why we are talking about old patches, currently the PTRS is better than the mosin (which you consider a good AI weapon)when not moving in ranges above 10 and thus currently Guards simply over-performing. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I haven't seen a Soviet AT gun in at least six months.13 Nov 2018, 22:21 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2018, 21:50 PMblvckdream Who says they do 27 vs infantry when it´s 14 in the sheet ? They only get a buff vs vehicles but not vs infantry. As you can clearly see here: Extra damage 26, Requires types: vehicle ----- Extra damage 13, Requires types: NOT infantry NOT vehicle The patch notes among other things: Guard PTRS damage vs infantry increased from 20 to 27 Best way to be sure thou is to test in game with cheat mode, especially before being aggressive to others. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Buff Ostwind13 Nov 2018, 22:09 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2018, 21:25 PMKatitof AA gun that can't shoot down planes, bofors up. And yes, it is balanced. Its just going to be standing there. You will be hit by it exclusively if you specifically choose to once you know where it is. Also fun fact: Vickers has lower DPS then HMG42. Why does it kill so much? Because its suppression is so shit, suppressed squads take lower damage from small arms for some time. So your perception of it being too strong, ironically, comes out of it being too weak in the one single role HMG should be doing. That information is incorrect according to Cruzz the Vicker has more dps than hmg-42 at almost all ranges. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is2 and other heavy tanks issu13 Nov 2018, 21:48 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2018, 21:09 PMcochosgo I quited using the IS2 like a year ago when I saw a P4 penetrate it frontaly 3 times one after another. Experience has led me to believe the claims that it has the same armor as the KT are false and its actually closer to a Tiger I or its someway nulified by the high penetration of german TDs. In fact, I've seen KV-1s bounce more shots from ATGs and light TD than any IS2 (and thats why those are my tank of choice when facing compositions with lots of light AT) Sucks we don't have any reliable stat source. Maybe I'll lab it one of these days with the editor. Also, there is no need to be rude chances of P4 penetrating a IS-2 3 times in row at point blank should be around 3.3%. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I haven't seen a Soviet AT gun in at least six months.13 Nov 2018, 21:39 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2018, 21:15 PMmurky depths Ah, I see. Now I'm curious to try the SVT Guards rifle squad from lend lease. Though I think they are a bit gimped by normal standards since they get PPSH instead of DPs. They have lesser DPS far but better mid close and better on the move. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I haven't seen a Soviet AT gun in at least six months.13 Nov 2018, 21:34 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2018, 21:22 PMblvckdream cruzz data sheet... it isn´t wrong The sheet is not wrong but you are reading wrong. The sheet is using the base 14 damage. They actually do 27 to infantry. Multiply the value by around x1.93 to get the correct DPS. Value should comparable to these (0--10--20--30--40): guard_troop_ptrs_41_mp------------------3.87--3.55--3.23--2.32--1.42 guards_troops_mosin_nagant_rifle_mp---4.73--3.66--2.57--1.72--0 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I haven't seen a Soviet AT gun in at least six months.13 Nov 2018, 21:11 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2018, 21:08 PMmurky depths I'm having trouble following here -- so they realized it was bad against infantry and nerfed it's AI ability anyway? PTRS use to have very little AI due to low accuracy, even lower than the one Penal now have. "Guard Troops Our team determined that as one of the worst rifles/AT in the game, changes to the PTRS were necessary in order to make it a bit more sufficient at its role. Its damage profile remains the same, so damage will still be relative to current values. PTRS Accuracy increased from 0.03 / 0.0425 / 0.055 to 0.22 / 0.50 / 0.60" Then typically Relic over buffed "PTRS rifle Damage reduced from 40 to 27 13 Bonus damage added vs vehicles" Then they had to nerf again. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I haven't seen a Soviet AT gun in at least six months.13 Nov 2018, 21:03 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2018, 20:55 PMKatitof You do remember guards PTRS had the same accuracy they have now, but dealt 40 damage instead of 27 to infantry? Guards PTRS was always effective AI weapon, it simply used to be much more effective then it is now. That is incorrect. It use to be bad vs infantry because it had 0.03/0.0425 /0.055 accuracy. Then they relished it was op as hell with new accuracy and the damage was reduce from 40 to 27. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I haven't seen a Soviet AT gun in at least six months.13 Nov 2018, 20:13 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2018, 19:43 PMZombiFrancis That is where you are wrong. It was suggested a long while back to try having guards call in without PTRS or DP-28s. This would require the squad to invest in munis to achieve a generalist squad. This was even back when PTRS were very effective AI weapons. The idea that guards would no longer be panic PTRS and also have a high muni investment was deemed laughably OP and unbalanced. (Even though at the time it was an AI nerf. I remember the notion that a guards squad with dp28s would have slots to steal lmg42s was what killed the idea.) The decision was to instead focus all resources on penal battalions. And so we saw the short lived ppsh+flamethrower version of Penals... which set the landscape for penal PTRS. Guards without PTRS are essentially the infantry squad Soviets have always desired, but always denied. What makes you think that Guard's PTRS are not effective AI weapons? Do you consider the Gaurd's mosins an effective AI weapon? In: COH2 Balance