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Thread: Ostheer Core changes commander Revamp Patch4 May 2019, 10:15 AM Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 09:52 AMSander93 Would you mind explaining that? Because unless I'm wrong, lower scatter means more chance to still hit shots that are 'misses' because the missed shots don't get spread out as much. Collision hit are easier to achieve the longer the projectile travels or they can fall sort. By reducing the scatter distance and offset the chance of scoring a collision hit is reduced especially when moving. Keep in mind that the low accuracy of the Ostwind vs light tank makes it relay on collision hits to actually land them. This affect can easily be seen by the high distance scatter ATG guns have. Examples Panther: Scatter Distance offset 0.25 Distance ratio 1 Distance max 8 Su-85 Distance offset 0.25 Distance ratio 1 Distance max 7.5 PzIV Scatter Distance offset 0.25 Distance ratio 1 Distance max 6.4 Scatter T-34/76 Distance offset 0.25 Distance ratio 1 Distance max 6.9 By lowering scatter to from 7.1 to 5.25 one is actually lowering the chance to get collision hits especially vs fast small targets. One can easily increase the accuracy of the Ostwind and/or the reduce the moving penalty to score more "natural" hits even if doubled I doubt it will make any difference in its AI role. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle squad and Calliope need more buff.4 May 2019, 10:03 AM Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 09:13 AMKatitof When 200% was buffed to 300%? Regardless, all that means is they got almost 14 DPS in cover with LMG, which is superior to penals even at vet3(both vet3 that is). It is not x200% it x150% because of the penalty: "Captured slot items now suffer from a -50% accuracy penalty, and +300% accuracy bonus in cover no longer applies to them" In the end it was decided: "Cover bonus for slot items from 300% to -25%." Slot weapon ended up having Cover bonus for slot items from 300% to -25% and probably the -50% penalty. So I you number are probably off. To clarify the osttruppen k98 DPs is Ranges 0/10/20/35 Listed as: 2.42/1.858/1.495/1.067 with the penalty actually: 1.21/0.93/0.75/0.53 when in cover 3.63/2.79/2.25/1.59 So a squad with 6 K98 has 21.78/16.74/13.5/9.54 compared to 21.68/15.62/11.90/6.36 of conscripts Now the LMG probably still has the penalty and if it does have the penalty then it should be when out of cover: 2.53/3.46/4.04/4.47 and When in cover 1.90/2.59/3.03/3.35 That would bring the total squad DPS with an Lmg to No cover 8.58/8.11/7.79/7.12 Cover 20.05/16.54/14.28/11.30 One has to keep in mind that Ostruppen have a target size of 1.25 similar to weapon crews. But all these is quite irrelevant to riflemen and Calliope. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Core changes commander Revamp Patch4 May 2019, 09:04 AM Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 08:56 AMKatitof It also has a massive cost(140 was it?) meaning if you plan to use it in early game, you better be landing money shots as it'll delay BARs and other utilities by a mile. Yes it is very expensive. The problem is that it can be used to take ATG leaving the room open for light vehicles to decimate infatry and HMG. The ability is simply too powerful and too expensive creating a medium risk high reward situation that can potentially snowball the game. One could either keep it powerful but delay it (lock behind Major? and have it become cheaper) or allow it exist early but lower damage and MU cost. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle squad and Calliope need more buff.4 May 2019, 08:59 AM Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 08:47 AMKatitof I'm talking about when they are in cover, not out of it. As far as K98 goes: Osttruppen have x50% accuracy penalty both in and out of cover. They get a x300% accuracy when in cover. That translates in half the DPS of what the stat suggest when out of cover and x150% when in cover. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW Core changes commander Revamp Patch4 May 2019, 08:25 AM Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 02:12 AMinsaneHoshi You mean 3 levels of smoke range buffs isnt fair and balanced? But seriously, what are its current buffs? Also its scatter bonus should be at vet 3 like other mortars instead of vet 5. If I am not mistaken (since I have not checked the editor) +5% Barrage Range -23% received accuracy -40% barrage recharge, +33% barrage range 5 shells in barrage +15% penetration +15% damage In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle squad and Calliope need more buff.4 May 2019, 00:16 AM Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 00:07 AMWAAAGH2000 I remember all osttruppen have -50% accuracy debuff for all weapon,but cover bouns only for them 98k... Its abit more complicated than that. K98 have a -50% accuracy penalty and +300% accuracy buff in cover. According to patch notes Slot weapon have -25% accuracy penalty when in cover. I have not checked the editor to see if any other modifiers apply to slot weapons. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Core changes commander Revamp Patch4 May 2019, 00:08 AM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2019, 23:54 PMblancat u always make unit inferior, even dont need to change I doubt you're playing this game especially USF I post exactly the same things about all early units including panzergrenadiers. Factions should be balanced and not have to depend on a couple a OP units to carry them. I have actually posted about making Pathfinder cheaper and able to scale in time. PLS try keeping personal comment out of the debate (I am do play the game and I do play USF). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle squad and Calliope need more buff.3 May 2019, 23:30 PM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2019, 19:18 PMKatitof That's still 4,5 DPS at long range, putting them at something like 10DPS, which is base penal long range DPS(10,8 to be precise). Osttruppen are pretty damn good now, vet like mad and scale really great, its dictionary example of how cheap unit should scale. Are you sure about your numbers? Because Osttruppen actually have a -50% accuracy penalty (at least to their K98). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ostheer Core changes commander Revamp Patch3 May 2019, 23:27 PM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2019, 22:19 PMmiragefla The buff also increases its potency versus vehicles as it can get more shots into them at a faster rate. It got stronger against both infantry and light vehicles. The chance to hit and penetrate are extremely low Ostwind vs T-70 Chance to hit max 45% down to 22.5% if moving Chance to penetrate 50% chance to damage 22.5% stationary and 11.25 moving. Shot to kill 10. As far as I know Ostwind is not very effective vs moving vehicles. Finally the chances in scatter have also decreased the chance of Ostwind getting collision hits. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Core changes commander Revamp Patch3 May 2019, 23:05 PM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2019, 17:05 PMOutsider_Sidaroth The Stuart is a problematic unit? With it's neutered AI? No Stuart is probably a bit UP Pathfinder's barrage is too powerful thou. Jump back to quoted post3 May 2019, 18:26 PMSuperHansFan If what you described was accurate and they are so OP Ost have no counter vs them and Stuart we would see them built every game. But they're still kind of rare, traditional Pak howi is much more reliable. Noone is going to call in I&R for a smoke barrage, you can just click Pershing doc and have it as a non unit ability. Btw the cast time if I&R arty is similar to OKW tank arty both are the fastest in the game, is that OP for killing ZiS? I&R barrage is simply superior, its available earlier, dropa a bit faster from a unit that can be cloaked, has more shells and can cause engine damage. It is also more expensive. On the other hand I have posted about how OKW barrage is also OP and badly designed imo. In: COH2 Balance