Profile of Vipper

SMG troops

SMG troops are rather to get right, they either walk up to other infantry and force retreat or die like fly on the road.

Suggestion:
SMG now are redesigned to relay more on abilities and less on base stat.

The are already to good abilities that can be used and can be expanded to other units:

"Diversion" with +25% accuracy on the move,-20% received accuracy

"Light Smoke Grenade" -50% received accuracy in smoke (the old implementation without the sight blocker)

These and similar abilities should become available to SMG and replace normal smoke grenades to better fine tune this troops

There are some issues with the unit and people should test themselves and provide feedback instead crucifying the MOD team:

Raid Section
Unit is too good and need changes.

Suggestions:
Now comes with 5 rifles using VG/Grenadier power level depending on received accuracy modifiers
Cap bonus reduces to 1.15 being able to sprint and cap faster is too much
Unit now has "fire and maneuver" training allowing them to fire Brens on the move. (bren can use a different having same DPS long range as rifles and better mid/close)
Unit can not build sandbag/cashes
unit keep grenade but not sprint
Vet 1 camo removed


Vickers K Light Machien Gun
The idea of making Bren and vicker offer different things is good the implementation not great.

Suggestions:
If one want to go for LMG/Assault rifle design one should probable make Vicker K the lmg and Bren the assault rifle.
In addition the LMG should be limited to 1 taking both weapon slots and even consider making bolster take one slot so that LMG is only available to 4 men squad.

It should also remove the VK from heavy sappers and lower price of the upgrade or even make it free.

There is another solution, VK could provide a unique ability to the squad. For instance squad with VK can not now use an suppression ability affecting a single squad when in garrison.

In my view that this is fixing what isn't broken and making the game a lot less fun.

Commander are broken there are very few meta commander compare to commander available.

The fun will be the same but simply not a single commander.

Loitering planes aren't that good anyway, as in 2v2+ considering an AA unit can render them worthless.

Now imagine playing 1vs1 building 3 M10 to a kill tiger, executing a perfect flank only to have retreat because loiter stukas are called in.

Not really off topic, I suggest commander change and we are now discussing wether said change is worthwile and balanced!

In any case, I just hope that some more experimental changes in the vein of the Spearhead and Lightning war changes that stared this discussion can be included in the beta and tried - and then discarded, if they are OP, or kept if they are good!

Since the Mod teams read this threads for feedback of abilities in patch or suggestions for change in abilities is more helpful then general balance debate or the difference between OKW and Ostheer that can be debate in other thread.

It is my personal opinion that combination should be avoid that includes:
Super heavies loiter AT planes
Super heavies artillery pieces/SPG
Super heavies emplacement delete abilities
Supper heavies abilities that delete ATGs
SPG emplacement delete abilities

uh i just dont think that the smoke nades and salvage is a full commader slot i guess.

they do start with better repair speed but i think -? that normal engineers can get that saim repair speed after minesweeper + bolster?

I just was hoping to make them more flavorful and unique i guess. i guess not

Maybe not. I was simply point out that that they are not a bad unit.

I guess one could try the following:

"Field Recovery Operation" renamed to "Royal Sapper" move "Advanced Emplacement Regiment" replacing "Defensive Operations".

Ability allow to build Royal sapper from HQ (CP 0 call-in should be avoided since it map depended)

Unit has savage, smoke grenades and come with 5 rifles. Repair speed replaced by 20% repair speed to emplacement plus no damage penalty when repairing.

This should solve repairing issue for the commander.