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Thread: HMG-34 in DPP 5 Nov 2017, 10:01 AM Changes: Fixed an issue where OKW starting weapon crew stats were superior to other faction weapon crews, and on-par with mainline infantry After testing the weapon in long ranges imo it need to be look at. In my test walk into HMG-34 with conscript squad and managed to walk into green cover in a range around 36. The HMG managed to suppress the squad and pin it after a couple of minutes (probably due to model out of cover). After the first couple of conscripts died and incremental accuracy stop kicking in the weapon was so ineffective that the conscript squad stopped being pined and even suppressed. It took about 6 minutes of continues fire to take out the conscripts. During a similar test with 4 Tommies (target size 0.8) instead of conscript (Target size 1.087) things went far worse with HMG-34 unable to pin or even suppers after 7.5 minutes of continues fire. In addition the crew has the highest reinforcement cost of all HMGs at 25 while being the cheapest. In: Lobby
Thread: DBP USF thread5 Nov 2017, 01:12 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2017, 23:19 PMEsxile In fact my mortar reached vet2 with 0 kill and then, miraculously killed two guys.. Experience is awarded for damage and not kills so if your opponent was rotating the troops in building it natural that it vet without getting kills. Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2017, 23:19 PMEsxile RE are still overexpensive trash,.. The have the same price as Pioneers and 10 Manpower cheaper the RO.E, so I dont really see how the are "over-expensive". In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Conscript's DPS in the new patch. 4 Nov 2017, 19:28 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2017, 15:03 PMMr.Smith .... By making Grenadier close-range output better than conscript close-range output (since conscripts are durable), you've created a super-soldier squad that can both A-move to win engagements, and can also gun down enemies super fast at close range. I am not even sure why we are debating the bellow 10 ratio. When v1.2 comes out and the DPS of the conscripts at range 10 is adjusted, Grenadier will be trading more favorably at range 0 than they do in live because their near range will remain 0 while conscripts near range will be 10. Allow me to try to explain this a bit better, from June 2013 to September 2014 Relic released a great number patch and focus allot of effort in getting small arm fire correct, because the understood its importance. Their conclusion was that non-linear ("curved") DPS curves where better than linear DPS curves and adjusted the majority of starting weapons accordingly. (Update March 25?, 2014) https://www.coh2.org/file/4641/elbe_weapons.png Quote from patch notes (Update April 24th, 2014?): "Small Arms Weapon Profiles The goal is to improve tactics by better defining unit roles; thereby, increasing the importance of unit positioning relative to cover. A weapon profile defines the distribution of damage over distance. Previously, the profiles were generally flat (Comment by me, by flat they mean linear, not horizontal) and did not fully characterize the strengths and weaknesses of a squad. Now, a Pioneer squad with a MP40 submachine gun has a very high damage output at close range but a substantially lower damage output at max range. The distribution of damage is no longer blended between ranges; this combined with the increased weapon lethality should reduce the tendency to rush infantry at one another." Now the only way I see it is, that one can choose to continue this model and adjust the "new" weapons (mosin,SVT,STG44) to rest of the starting weapon or to adjust the rest of "old" weapons to the "linear" system. In my opinion there is no good reason to throw out the window all the experience Relic had, by re-rolling into system they stopped using. In: Lobby
Thread: Commanders revamp - December patch4 Nov 2017, 15:31 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2017, 15:22 PMZombiFrancis I'd rather fix two useless doctrinal abilities per faction, rather than two commanders. That is close to what I suggested. Fix the 2 commanders but also fix any ability that is obviously broken and can easily be fixed. (Cost for Soviet salvage kits for instance.) In: Lobby
Thread: Conscript's DPS in the new patch. 4 Nov 2017, 15:09 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2017, 15:03 PMMr.Smith Who wins at ranges 5-15? Ranges not mentioned are transition ranges where squad are about equal and left to RNG. Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2017, 15:03 PMMr.Smith With this arangements Grenadiers have the upper hand for the duration of the game: - Conscripts will always get bled while closing in - Grenadiers will always have the option of retreating after bleeding Conscripts - Grenadiers will always also have the option of closing in and finishing the Conscripts 1) They will not bleed much if they use "ourah" 2) Forcing retreat is a win on its own 3) Since Grenadier do not have "ourah" and lose DPS on the move, so that clsoing in is not going to be a very good option for grenadiers Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2017, 15:03 PMMr.Smith Close range units are usually given the benefit of having higher lethality, due to the potential for them bleeding while closing in. By making Grenadier close-range output better than conscript close-range output (since conscripts are durable), you've created a super-soldier squad that can both A-move to win engagements, and can also gun down enemies super fast at close range. And Close range units have the draw back of trading horribly at long ranges, a drawback which conscript do not have. As I explained, if the advantage conscripts get for moving the fight bellow 10 is worth it, most fight will be take place there via "ourah" and the cover mechanism will have little impact. "Ourah" is a big factor here because it gives conscript the advantage of easier choosing range. Unless you decide to change "ourah" (replace it, make it scale with veterancy) the options are limited. In addition conscript can create their own green cover something not available to grens. And there is another reason, long range fight and especially in cover, take longer, are more tactical less RNG, lead to less squad wipes and reduce the affect of forcing a retreat. Mainline infantry fights should be designed about taking place in mid to far and not point blank. In: Lobby
Thread: Conscript's DPS in the new patch. 4 Nov 2017, 14:58 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2017, 14:36 PMMr.Smith The optimal range to fight vs Shocks is always max range. I would never abandon my 35 range to get closer to Shocks to deal any damage. Let THEM close the distance. My point, however, is that for every unit engagement there is a specific range from which unit A wins if the fighting happens below that range, and unit B wins if the fighting happens after that range. What Vipper is asking for is designate a range segment (e.g., 10-25) within which Conscripts will win, and outside which Grenadiers will win. That's never going to work well though. Cons will get bled closing in from 35 to 25. Then, Grenadiers will relocate from 25 to 10, and now Conscripts will start losing again. Not exactly what I suggested. Grenadier win from 35-25 Conscripts win from 20-15 Grenadier win or about the same from 5-0 The current kit conscripts have (ourah molotov) is better suited for mid fights. And imo it can work just fine. Reasons for these range: Most fight when using Attack move starts at around 30. At this point conscript use ourah (and moltovs) to bring the engagement at 15-20 and gain an advantage. The engagement becomes less favorable in close distance to avoid conscripts always wanting to being the fight to point and making the cover irrelevant. The kit conscripts currently have (ourah molotov) is better suited for mid ranges. (one could redesign them as dedicated defensive infantry by replacing ourah with a "hit the ground" type ability that would give a 5-10 damage reduction) In: Lobby
Thread: Conscript's DPS in the new patch. 4 Nov 2017, 14:24 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2017, 14:22 PMferwiner Showing both curves is not enough. To get the optimal fighting range curve of both units you have to divide effective hp of squad A by the dps curve of squad B and the other way round. Then you have to plot both hp/dps curves or their difference. I meant to do a combined DPS curve (the ration of one to other). That indicates the best ranges of each infantry not who is going to win. In: Lobby
Thread: Conscript's DPS in the new patch. 4 Nov 2017, 14:17 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2017, 14:06 PMMr.Smith As far as I can tell, for every pair of units in the game, the sweet spot is always at the extremes. I can't think of any exception where this rule doesn't apply. Obviously, for the unit that has to go up close to win, actually moving all the way to point-blank range ends up hurting you, because you lose DPS due to moving, and you are potentially losing cover. This is why for close-range units like Panzergrenadiers, that can actually DPS until far enough, often the best strategy is to sit at mid-range. That's because you still win, and there's potentially more cover for you to choose from. You can only see that by doing a DPS ratio curve between the 2 units. For instance its highly probable that: Thompson Rangers/Assault grenadier, optimum range (for ranger) is around 15 drops around 10 and then slightly increases close to 0. Thompson Rangers/Grenadiers, optimum range around 10-15 and the drops around 0. You new DPS curves have flattened out the difference between Mosin and K98, give less reason to conscripts to change range if the fighting gren at max range. In: Lobby
Thread: Conscript's DPS in the new patch. 4 Nov 2017, 13:47 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2017, 13:22 PMDangerous-Cloth Get them all smgs them haha. That would be more preferable (with adjusted DPS for PPsh of course), or SVTs(+3 or 6) or PPsh and SVTs (3+3). For more about this once more here In: Lobby
Thread: Conscript's DPS in the new patch. 4 Nov 2017, 13:05 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2017, 12:53 PMDangerous-Cloth Is it possible to give Cons non doc ppsh? Or is relic not into that kind of change? This would bypass their need for damage adjustment in the closer ranges and would simply give a choice between close or longer range dps functionality. PPsh is a bad option because smgs and bolt action do not mix well (unless all mosin are replaced). In: Lobby