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Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 19 Mar 2018, 12:59 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2018, 12:54 PMOziligath I'm not sure about the use of this topic but i feel that the teching from whermath is actually good right now. Imo it is not. That is part of the reason why most people do not make T4 (at least in small mods) and go for Tiger. In: Lobby
Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 19 Mar 2018, 12:51 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2018, 12:40 PMKatitof It is a TECH COST. Not a SIDE COST. You pay extra for nothing and that cost is balanced to allow you med armor at almost the same time as any other faction who Needs to pay extra for stuff that directly delays tech. It does NOT serve the function of strategical planning next resource expense, but merely a timing and tech pace function. Once more PLS, do not press the quote button if what you are going to say is irrelevant to what you are quoting. I never claimed that bundle grenades are a "side cost", on the contrary I clearly said BP1 is tech and has a cost. Let my explain also something else, BP1 does not unlock medium armor so I would suggest that you leave medium armor out of it. If in your opinion, Ostheer have an actual advantage because of their tech tree pls explain and elaborate instead of talking semantics about "Tech Costs" and "Side Costs". Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2018, 12:40 PMKatitof That was the whole point you were so stubbornly trying to argue against. Or you still want to pretend that battlephases serve the exact same role as zooks, nades, aec/bofors or squad bolster upgrades for other factions and make your tech slower with the option to skip them for faster tech? I am not able to tell the reason, but its impossible for you to comprehend the idea of what a side cost is and how it relates to tech path and timing. The only one being stubborn here is you, that to quote me and post with purpose of simply proving me wrong. Finally pls stop putting words in mouth. (contrary to what you write I never pretended that battlephases serve the exact same role as zooks,...) In: Lobby
Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 19 Mar 2018, 11:57 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2018, 11:41 AMBenKenobi I have not asked you whether it is possible (ie. whether the game allows it) to have a bundle grenade unit before BP1 but how does one even have such a unit before BP1. This question must be interpreted as a question regarding the factual occurence in games actually played, not theory crafting from game mechanisms. In essence, this question basically stands as: how does anyone actually have these units before BP1 so that part of the thread can have any value. This does not apply only to bundle grenades but to all grenades and assault grenadiers do not have access to their grenades before BP1. And just to clarify I am not claiming that they should have access to grenades from the start. On the other hand the fact ostheer grenades require BP1 does have an affect on the gameplay. If you are asking how can one have unit with grenades be available before BP1 I am telling via doctrines. If you are asking me if it is a common occurrence to get the units with grenades before BP1, my answer it is almost in every case for assault grenadiers, less common for ST, PG. If you are asking if it has happen to me, I would say, yes I had a couple 2vs2 game where I called ST before PB1. If you are asking me if it is balance issue I would say not an important one. Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2018, 11:41 AMBenKenobi Yes, that your thread has no relevance to anything and is completely redundant and pointless Also, if you like extensive formalism, so be it. If that is how you feel about it I would advice you not to read it. Once more is there an actual point you want to make about Ostheer teching or are you simply arguing "pointlessly" in a "pointless" thread? In: Lobby
Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 19 Mar 2018, 11:46 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2018, 11:34 AMBrotgrenadier Time delay with CPs doesnt work with stock units which dont come from doctrines, neither does it work with stock abilites, these would be delayed with veterancy requirements. Im not saying Ost has an advantage to other factions in terms of teching, and i strongly agree that the linear progression with structure building is a disadvantage for Ost. I personally would welcome some changes such as reduced build time, or reduced tech time. So i do agree with you on that, but that is a seperate problem in itself, and the problems you note are merely symptoms of that and not the core issue. Well I did note them as problems but I simply responded to certain claims that where creating the impression that Ostheer tech offered some sort of advantages over other factions. I am glad that we agree that it does not. In: Lobby
Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 19 Mar 2018, 11:09 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2018, 10:33 AMBrotgrenadier That is a flawed way of looking at WM ability requirements. You view teching as a "bundle" consisting of tech and abilities, but the unlock merely serves as a time constraint. Its similiar to shifting OKW nade requirements around deployed truck/truck on field without changing the cost of teching. It is common practice in many RTS to add a time delay by locking it behind other tech, not to combine the cost, but to provide a free ability at a later time. Starcraft also utilizes this principle a lot, and so do many other games. Its not inaccurate or misleading because the abilites dont influence the tech cost, and only require the techup in order to delay its availability. You can look things your way if you want. If in your opinion Ostheer get "free" things, they are not the only one, UKF, USF and OKW get free things also. Time-delay is in game in the form of CPs. In addition if in you opinion Ostheer tech work as time restriction one could consider "side tech" that bypasses that restriction as an extra cost for the choice of when and if one will unlock a tech. Bottom line here is that Ostheer hardly have any advantage because of their tech tree. They have sort of linear tech rigid progression in some way similar to UKF but they also have to build their buildings. In: Lobby
Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 19 Mar 2018, 10:59 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2018, 10:28 AMBenKenobi Would you be so kind and provide me with some replays in which you have these things before BP1? Why? would a replay change the fact the bundle grenades require BP1? I did not claim this is balance issue in any way. I simply point out the bundle grenades require BP1 which is a fact. Also answered your question on how Ostheer can have a unit with access to bundle grenades without BP1, which is with the doctrinal access to Stormtroopers or PG. which is again not balance issue. Do you have a point you want to make? In: Lobby
Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 19 Mar 2018, 09:28 AM Lets try to get somethings straight. BP1 is tech and it has a cost. It unlocks the following things: LMG for grenadiers Rifles grenades for grenadiers Bundle grenades Model 24 stielgranate grenade assault The T2 building All these things come at the cost the BP1 research. Saying that any of these things has no actual tech cost is simply inaccurate/misleading. (added grenade assault) In: Lobby
Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 19 Mar 2018, 09:03 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2018, 08:57 AMBenKenobi How does one even have a bundle grenade equipped unit before BP1? Storm troopers, 250 pg. In: Lobby
Thread: The tech cost for LMG, rifle-grenades and bundle grenades. 19 Mar 2018, 08:37 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2018, 11:52 AMEsxile Dear Vipper, why are you so wrong? Ostheer doesn't pay for their upgrade, this is balanced, and nobody complains about it, that's all. I am so wrong in what? That bundle grenades require BP 1 to be unlocked? Hover you mouse over bundle grenades icon and you will see it saying that it requires BP 1 to be unlocked. In: Lobby
Thread: Cargo Trucks (Opel Blitz Supply Truck)18 Mar 2018, 22:42 PM The return you get from placing a truck depends on the sector you place them: Normal sector +5 mu +3 Fu Munition sector +11 mu Fuel sector +7 Fu In other words the truck will double the return of the sector it is placed. In: COH2 Gameplay