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I wouldn't say it's OP but it's clearly a very dumb gimmick. Just one of the many stupid commanders Relic added for no reason other than $
I'm not sure who's the bigger troll, the people who use it or Relic for designing it in the first place |
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Pershing gets 290 armor? Why not just bring it back to 300?
Or would that be a full admission that nerfing it's armor in the first place was a stupid decision |
You have tompsons on them, but at the same time their standart rifles are doing really nice damage at all ranges after buff, their zooks are extrimely usefull and with Bars they are really good aswell.
So as a platform, you have 4 potentual ways of how to use them they are flexable elite unit.
Bars are not really good on them. There's almost no reason to get Bars on rangers. If you get 3x they will drop them like crazy. Thompsons is better in them in almost every way
Thompsons or zooks are the only "good" ways to use them, but even zooks can be bad. The droprate is a problem whenever you triple up on anything |
this should be seen as a nerf to allies
generally they are much more dependent on team weapons and combined arms to counter stronger units as well as more susceptible to wipes thanks to stuka, brumbar, sturmtiger, etc
this should be seen as a nerf to axis,
generally they are much more dependent on team weapons and combined arms to counter long range Tank destroyers as well as more susceptible to wipes thanks to smaller sqads, kata calli and b4
This bias literally hurts to look at |
As OKW or USF you have to rely on your partners early. And as USF your late game is weak. If your partner is doing dumb shit you will get the surrender prompt. You cant blame the USF player for knowing that the match is over. I question the intelligence of the people who dont realize the match is over. You lost. Just let it go. Saving up for some big tank will not save you.
Punishing people for not wasting their time playing out a match that is lost would surely kill the game within 3 months.
That's fair, but it's not like that's the only reason people quit. Sometimes it's entirely their fault too
It's just as annoying getting the surrender prompt when your carrying someone and you feel like you still have a chance |
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I can't stand people who quit early in team games, it takes so long to find matches sometimes. I haven't noticed a pattern with a specific faction, but I can render a guess about USF
Their late game in team modes is the worst of any faction imo. If you don't go calliope, 2x AT guns will counter pretty much any fuel investment you build except maybe a 105 dozer
They rely on early/mid more than anyone so if that doesn't go well, the impatient players probably just quit. Would like to see a little more punishment for quitters in CoH3. Although they probably need to improve the matchmaking first lol |
People getting triple BAR Rangers imho is highly unlikely, esp when Thompson is a superior upgrade overall and cannot be dropped. Realistically it's 80 vs 100 muni iirc for LMG34 to Thompsons? I see those guys coming and they get treated like shocktroops. They don't really need a BAR because you'll lose someone on approach typically, then it's 4 Thompsons vs whatever's unlucky enough to be that close.
Yeah I think that's OPs point though. Their 3rd weapon slot is useless for anything other than zooks. Which imo is also overrated. The 3rd weapon slot just isn't that great of bonus, because of the dropping
Thompsons are 90 muni on Rangers and Paras. The tommy upgrade is fine
I think their popcost is too high atm, but idk if I would change anything else |
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Why don't we just talk about how OP fusiliers are in general? What's the point of this matchup/comparison?
Fusiliers have needed changes for a while, their performance against ass engies doesn't seem super relevant |
You should not expect them to easily beat infantry that come later than them and have a gift basket for you.
I didn't see anyone saying they should easily beat Obers...
And 3x bar rangers is a significantly larger investment and risk than either Ober upgrade. Obers will only drop the mg34 if they get wiped and the StGs can't get dropped at all. For 180 muni it seems like they should do a little better
Not a fan of either triple upgrade on rangers because of the droprate. I don't even get 1 bar with the thompsons for the same reason |
Already incredibly nasty to deal with AVRE with map that have hedges or small LOS blockers, but I dealt with it for 2,3, X years.
I haven't seen the AVRE in over a year so I can't relate. Don't think it's anywhere near as bad as current ST but I don't think those types of units should really exist in the first place either way
Either the game is about preserving unit veterancy, or its not. But both of those units are literally designed to ruin that concept |
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