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Jump back to quoted post29 Sep 2022, 15:40 PMFargoth88

You’re stating that this isn’t an authentic WW2 game, so the inclusion of the BP is fine. Then it follows that any inclusion (as long as it was designed during WW2 like you stated) is fine. Then little boy and fat man could be off-maps and every German unit can get IR StG44s. You should probably commit to that position instead of walking away from it every time I try to counter it.

If you agree that the BP is more of a stretch than the JT and ST and some things are too unhistorical for COH, then we can formulate at what point something is too fictional for COH. Even if COH is fictional, it is not fictional on the level of games like World of Tanks or BF5. It is pretty obvious that the factions Relic designs are supposed to have some resemblance of reality. Even if they take liberties with their designs.

When you’re saying that you don’t expect Relic to keep the ruse up, that’s pretty synonymous with anything goes. If the fundamental disagreement here is that you don’t think COH should strive for some authenticity and I think it should, then there isn’t any point in discussing this further.

Jump back to quoted post29 Sep 2022, 15:07 PMSwitzerland

To me the fact relic is acknowledging that they feel they took a historical-fiction route overrepresenting the presence of the JT & KT alone shows that they understand that is just as much of a fiction as the BP and they did it for gameplay. I consider it a fiction that the ST is such an effective weapon at all in the game but its a gameplay choice they made for their product and both I and many others use it often so id call it a success.

There isn't two divisions of historical fiction either. It is just as fictional to see the stock KT stock IR halftracks, an effective sturmtiger, invincible stukas and entire squads with IR guns. Their chat on stream shows that they understand that for their own IP they've taken big liberties. I'm leaning towards their thinking that hey its time for another gameplay choice for the COH product that has not so often stuck to the lines off a history book. The statement of needing to be careful by them is also important as 3 games in a row of creating fictional histories for some axis units to make a faction, you may want to throw in an interesting gameplay unit for the allies to spice up the IP.

COH already being a historical fiction doesn't change now that they want to put in the BP, it was one before its presence and will remain one afterward.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2022, 19:46 PMFargoth88

Seeing Soviets and Americans fighting side by side is honestly more immersion breaking than the BP.
I can’t draw a line on where my immersion is totally broken but unnecessary inclusions of experimental vehicles doesn’t help that. I usually cringe a bit when I see the Soviets and the Americans/British side by side and I’ll probably slighty cringe when I see the BP in North Africa. Even seeing Panthers in North Africa is a bit immersion breaking, but that is a sacrifice I can live with. I can easily turn your question around though. Does the US and USSR fighting together make the inclusion of the MAUS ok? Just because they are already immersion breaking elements doesn’t mean anything goes.

Besides that, we should probably want the internal design and look of each faction to be consistent with what they’re based on. Even in COH2, which might have some holistic immersion breaking moments, the individual factions don’t have units that are out of place on the level of the BP.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2022, 17:29 PMSwitzerland

You can be obstinate to the point a few people are trying to express you if you wish, but relic have essentially admitted they know that their IP contains a lot of fiction. Such as the rarity of the KT and Jagdtiger however to improve gameplay and make a fun product they are a franchise staple of common appearance. They go on to state that this chapter isn't any different.

I mean id love to see the drone b17 bombers that were meant to blow up targets remotely, they did poorly but since they were used once it meets the threshold for inclusion that some are making. Since its ok to fictionalize the units performance it would be above the mark, even though they never once hit a target.

Just as there is very poor performance on the tactical history of the strumtiger but it was used in that role poorly or not and its been given a fantastic gameplay place, regardless of being highly fictional.

That is the point I find funny, if we can fictionalize units operational lives to the point of reinforcing myth and this is the camels back broken in two, its funny.

Jump back to quoted post29 Sep 2022, 02:31 AMdonofsandiego

I hope the mods will forgive me this transgression...