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Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback2 Apr 2021, 14:41 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 14:30 PMSander93 Axis stuns cost 30-45 munitions on top of the strafe. Does RAM (vehicle cost) or AEC track shot (30 MU) has no cost? Isn't it the same? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback2 Apr 2021, 14:37 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 13:11 PMVipper It is ready reward, it does not explain why in your opinion that chance should be 100% for all axis vehicles. As I said as a reward. The same way most flanking tanks will penetrate opponent tanks from the rear to 100% since they will be very close too in most cases. Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 13:11 PMVipper Pls avoid personal comment especially in these thread they non constructive. I have nothing do with change, this was a balance team suggestion nor I have ever suggest it something like. My fault. Didn't want to get personal, but I did. Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 13:11 PMVipper And that is the case for many Soviet commander. Nor all Soviet commander should have a doctrinal tank, else these tank should become stock. Making the commander a single trick pony by expecting rocket strafe to carry the commander is not a great idea either. 15 out of 22 commanders have a doctrinal tank, some have two. At the seven commanders left there is not a single commander without additional doctrinal AT options. In case of Airborne it is the IL2 rocket strafe. It is not a single trick pony, but a necessary mechanic to make the commander work. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback2 Apr 2021, 14:25 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 13:16 PMSander93 Because T-34 ram. Axis stunning abilities (only Target Weakpoint and variants) are defensively orientated. There will be clearly enough opportunities in every game where allied tanks are in range of you PAK. Puma, while beeing highly mobile, can stun a nonturreted tank (-> SU-85) at decent range without sacrifing itself (like T34). StuG E, not as mobile as Puma but mobile, has the option to stun a tank too. You can call in the JU-87 at that opportunities. Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 13:16 PMSander93 You can't charge into a (heavy) tank and call down the Stuka strafe with them, unlike with a T-34 and IL-2 rockets. Its not that indestructible T34 hordes charge frontally into axis line. There is always the risk to loose your T34 without having achieved anything. You have to wait for opportunities too, but they are different from the axis ones. The outcome is the same: Calling an AT-strafe at a hampered tank. Btw. I thought ram was nerfed for that reason (having a chance to get the tank out of the strafing zone). Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 13:16 PMSander93 Combined with lower cost, it'd be okay for the IL-2 rockets to be less effective. Did I missed something? IL-2 rocket strafe cost 15 MU more than JU-87 AT-Strafe. If you go for a ram you are investing an additonal 300 MP and 90 FU. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback2 Apr 2021, 13:26 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 13:05 PMZeroZeroNi Show me that it can. Tested it multiple times in cheat mode just to add some data versus medium tanks. Planes always attacking from the rear. Il-2 rocket strafe was more consistent by dealing about 400 damage by nearly every single pass. JU-87 At-Strafe dealt between 320 and 720 damage (E8 health). Frontally this looks totally different with IL-2 rocket strafe not beeing worth it. Again Ju-87 for 110 MU, IL-rocket strafe for 125 MU. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback2 Apr 2021, 13:04 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 12:51 PMVipper Why should it always penetrate? Tanks can penetrate rear armor because flanking is considered good play and should be rewarded. There is not a lot of skill involved call in planes from a direction. A player with tank outside his base should not punished because his opponent can decide the direction where his planes will enter the field. Immobilizing a tank long enough to bring your strafe in from the rear is considered good play and should be rewarded. We already talking about a penetration nerf from 380 to around 140. But this is clearly not enough for you. I want to point out in addition that IL-2 rocket strafe only exists at a commander without any doctrinal tank on its own, so this ability is meant to make up for the lack of the strong doctrinal soviet tanks in tank battles. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback2 Apr 2021, 12:59 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 12:53 PMCrecer13 Oh boy, he can. Yeah, you are right. In teamgames both teams have the ability to stun/immobilize tanks to oblitertae it with a strafe. Why CAS AT strafe shoudn't be nerferd in the same way then? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback2 Apr 2021, 12:35 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 12:02 PMZeroZeroNi Probably not very favorably anymore. Though CAS single pass is more expensive. CAS Anti Tank Strafe = 110 MU IL-2 Rocket Strafe = 125 MU Can't see this. IL-2 is worse now while costing more MU (similar to JU-87 Loiter in comparison to P-47 loiter). Does nobody thinks about reducing the price of an ability if nerfing it heavily? IL-2 Rocket strafe should at least penetrate axis tanks from the rear at 100% chance, that would reduce its performance heavily already since you can't take the shortest possible route for your plane approach anymore. As a result this leads to a higher chance to miss completely. Keep ihn mind this is a strafe after all. For a mere 75 MU more you get the Ju-87 AT Loiter, which will deal a guaranted ton of damage if you use it correctly. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback2 Apr 2021, 11:43 AM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 11:22 AMMMX the reload reduction from 5-ish to 3.25 s may sound pretty over the top at first glance, but if you factor in additional delays (wind up/wind down, aim time, etc) it comes down to about a 30% increased ROF. that's pretty substantial for sure but i don't think it is op, simply because we're only talking about the barrage here, not autofire. i'd expect the 120mm to be quite a bit better than the pack howie at close range and about equal at max range with these changes, but we'll see if that turns out to be too powerful. at the very least it's likely that a lot more people will try this thing out again for once after being left in the dust for quite a while, so it should become pretty obvious rather quickly if this buff overshot the mark. I don't think the RoF will be over the top, it should be about the same as the 82mm now with more AOE and range but less accuracy. It will be better than 82mm that way, its doctrinal after all. But you will need 82mm for sight nevertheless, that will reduce the number of 120mm you will purchase by one at least. Imo the question is how good is the Vet1 barrage. This ability has the potential to overperform of course. Is it a exact copy of the USF mortar HT Vet1 barrage? Does somebody know? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback2 Apr 2021, 11:09 AM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 10:52 AMOlfin What do you mean by stock mortar? The nondcotrinal 82mm mortar in the soviet T2 building. - cheaper - more accurate - fires faster - comes with flares at Vet0 (instead of Vet1) while doctrinal 120mm has... - better AOE, but mainly only at the far distance that does only 20 damage - greater range 100 > 80 Atm the nondoctrinal, smaller mortar is the better choice in most situations. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - USF Feedback1 Apr 2021, 19:45 PM Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 18:34 PMMarkedRaptor Rifle company was originally designed to further enhance riflemen and now? It does seem like the commander has an identity crisis. I love the idea of the commander giving riflemen their smoke back, but that's my bias talking. Originally you could call in Vet1 Riflemen for 300 MP. This was a crucial option since they came with AT grenade right from the start and reached other Vet-levels faster. In these days the company somehow lived up to its name. Maybe you should get M19A19A6 or Thompsons upgrade for Riflemen (balanced around CP unlock of course) instead of Flamer for REs. But even more important is the role of the E8 in the company. Its just not interesting enough to choose it over M4A3/M36 combo and forgo Ranger+Calliope/Priest/Paras or Ranger+Pershing by doing so. Somehow it needs a special unique ability, because slight stat changes won't do it on their own. I'm not very creative atm. Maybe something like a WP shot, a tracking ability, some kind of a skill shot or HVAP? In: COH2 Balance