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PIV also reloads faster by at least half a second and I think I recall its minimum penetration is greater than the 76's by at least 20 (think IV's 100, 76's 80), so the 76 largely has no chance of winning without a surprise flank.
I was testing this a bit, a T34/76 will win about 30% of the time heads up.
OH P4 has a 73% chance to penetrate the T34/76 and the T34/76 has a 55% chance to penetrate the P4. The T34/76 is 86% the cost in MP and 64% the cost in fuel.
I'm pretty sure the t34 has better ai but I have not tested it much yet. |
Experience playing the game.
As strictly allies?
T34/85 vs oh P4 on anti inf (30 samples total):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTutTHuHE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr7h0txMUPw
Let's compare the t34/76 to the p4
Pen: 100 to 110
Armour: 150 to 180
Scatter: 6.9 to 6.4
Reload time: 6.23 to 5.63
Speed: 6.5 to 6.2
Where is the cost difference justified? |
Nope not delusional at all,for their cheaper price and in moving combat allied mediums have a reasonably good chance of beating a pz 4..especially if they get 1st shot in.Sherman with HE is much more utility in wiping squads,and cromwell player will circle you all day as well as crush your infantry.
No what i said is even when pz 4 is heavily vetted up its a low level lategame threat so the tank has no scalability,as with its poor penetration 3 pz 4s cant kill an is2...your pen wont improve with vet that alllied fanboys keep harping on about.Your range wont increase so will be kited easily and armour wont be enough to bounce TDs.So its only good vs stock mediums which few allied players use beyond maybe one starting unit.
They will usually go for call in mediums which will rape your pz 4 at unbelievable prices nonetheless,and TDs which will do the same.Even forgetting heavies.
And you would still struggle vs microed cromwell,which will get first shot in and circle you.Forget about fighting comet or churchill.
You will lose to t-34/85s.you will lose to su-85s and the only reasonable time u face t-34/76s that u keep posting ur data about ..facing soviet industry you will be outspammed and lose there too.
You will lose to bazooka blobs,lose to e8,lose to jackson as well.Can only hope for some success against vanilla sherman which anyway if built and usually supported by bazooka blob will do much better than you.You are quite funny thinking this game is only numbers.
Exactly, what can't 1v1 a p4?
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What I said was "about equal", not "equal". Huge difference isn't?
1v1 in a vacuum Vet 0 PzIV will loose to T-34/85 but only just. With vet however situation changes dramatically.
When PzIV reaches Vet 2, T-34/85 will die every time. Having this in mind you can easily say that PzIV is a better investment.
That isn't true at all, vet 2 p4 wins heads up against the vet 0 t34/85 about half the time and it has nothing to do with armour or penetration, it's because of the t34/85 tighter scatter.
Were do you come up with this stuff? |
Can we close this thread. This stopped being about the panther a long time ago.
Is it because we've managed to dispel the myth of panther uber armour and that hurts your little allied fanboy feelings?
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Axis fanboys obviously pine after easy games. 
Now is chance for victroy 1:1 for both side.
It really isn't. I can win way more with allies now than I can with axis. |
Yours wishes dont reflex reality.
http://coh2chart.com/
Game never been well ballanced as it now.
It is a pleasure to play for each side, and have the same chances of winning.
Statistically these charts are junk. The charts don't account for the 1-250 winning against the 500+, in whc case it probably doesn't matter which faction they picked. |
Let's play a game: Find the allied fanboy thread: 
Why would there be a thread, axis factions have been nerfed into the ground. |
You started great, but went downhill by the coma.
Its all about WFA and UKF power creep.
There is nothing wrong with vanila factions design, its great, its all about power creep.
It's about allied fanboys whining in the forums until axis gets nerfed into the ground.
Let's see your playercard. |