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Hey guys, I created this thread so that we can look for ways to counter the new OKW in 2v2s and up.

Cookiez and I have been experimenting with a build, which is pretty cheese, but seems to work all right.

Both players go Calliope Commander.

Player 1:

Rifle
Rifle
Rifle
LT
MG
CPT
ATG
M5 HT
M20 (for mines)
2 Calliopes
MJR
Jacksons

Player 2:

Rifle
Rifle
Rifle
Rifle (Optional)
CPT
Pak Howie
ATG
Pak Howie (If possible
Stuart (if fighting heavy mech build)
3 Calliopes
MJR
Jacksons

The whole dynamic in this game is : Allies pay for fuel sinks but have cheaper tanks , germans pay more for tanks. (Usually having better tanks overall, with weaker infantry)

Not true, all factions pay for their weapon upgrades and grenades through teching. Ostheer does this directly through paying an inflated tech cost (battle phases), which pays for their side costs as well as their tech. Allies pay through side tech, which while overall more expensive than teching the Ostheer way, allows you to make tactical choices and get by with less than 100% investment in your units.

OKW currently pay about the same for tech as USF, but gets their grenades, weapon upgrades, healing, repair, and static defensive building through this cost. This is the reason why the pre-patch OKW has such a dominating force at all times, without sacrificing any lategame armor tech.

Not to mention they get better top tier units out of their T4 than USF, as well as (arguably) better low tier light vehicles.

In conclusion, if you want OKW to get their weapon unlocks and grenades unlocked through teching like Ostheer, they have to pay the prices that come with those upgrades, in the form of more expensive teching costs. Otherwise, the only way to balance them is to give them seperate side tech to pay for these upgrades with.

Man you people are clueless.

Watch Paula play his typical 3 IS 1-2 Vickers 2 Snipers 2 AT Gun strat.

You literally can't use dedicated sniper hunter platforms (you know, the 222 that got buffed accuracy vs snipers SPECIFICALLY) because they get instantly critted, and then kited to death at max range.

I don't see how being able to hard counter your own hard counter is proper balance.

Y'all can bitch about the Brit sniper being "bad" but obviously top level Brit players disagree when they all get two snipers MINIMUM.

Look at it this way dusty, the issue with changing the sniper is that it is the Brits sole snare at this point in the game (unless you go weapons doctrine). Every other faction with snipers have access to snares so that they can actively screen their snipers. Without any snare on the entire brit early game, you make snipers unviable because they become impossible to defend.

I agree that the sniper needs changes (50 range 100%pen snare isn't very balanced), but it is currently holding together the brit early-mid game (hence why people use it so often). Something needs to give in exchange so that you can actually actively screen your snipers.

Mines don't really count because you can't actively screen with them. They are also only useful on maps with bottlenecks at the early stages when you have a sniper vs. 222 matchup, since you don't have the munitions for many.

I would say that IS or RE should get some kind of snare, so that they can discourage light vehicles from ignoring them ad going straight for the sniper.

Well that's kind of my point.

There's no decisions to be made by the OKW player. They're going to build 1 kubel wagon and then some sort of mix of sturmpios/volksgrenadiers. EVERY GAME.

Compare that to the current version, where they can build a medic or mechanized truck extremely early (which incidentally also unlocks incendiary grenades. Good luck vs buildings for the first 4 minutes now.) and start doing cool things like get IR HT or ISG early, convert munis for fast flamers and mines, convert fuel for flak HT or even convert fuel to build a panzer command ASAP and get cool units like obers/luchs early on.

We're losing a shit ton of tech choices and strategic diversity here. Even DoW2 had wargear and t1.5 units to grant some tech diversity.

Hmm, good point. What if we took the OKW grenades, and put them behind a separate unlock, since the fuel income is no longer an issue. That way, OKW now gets to make an early game decision. You can also use this to make the panzerschreck an upgrade unlock, to slow it down from becoming a mindless early upgrade, maybe with some AI upgrade as another option thats unlocked.

OKW no longer needs all their upgrades tied to tech, since they no longer are starved.

You get diversity, more tactics, as well as a more "meaty" OKW tech.

Anyone know if now okw tech is linear? Tech would be far too fast if mech hq could be skipped, so I am assuming that okw tech is now similar to soviet tech, in which case I'm a little confused on how the KT will work.