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Thread: Action Items: Balance Feedback Required!24 Sep 2014, 12:27 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2014, 10:26 AMtreiber hahah +1 HURDURRRR -1,000,000! Yeah, this thread is dead. Used to have a point, but then retards stopped reading the OP. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: IS2 vs Infantry24 Sep 2014, 12:17 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2014, 12:10 PMKatitof I know obers are batshit strong and stuff, but you shouldn't really try to a-move ISU with them. Sometimes you need to use a pair of Pumas. He never said that he a-moved vs ISUs with obers. Infact it doesnt matter if its Obers, PaKs or any otherninfantry unit. Weird and wondeful imagination you have, to assume things that are not actually there or said by anyone. Must be very difficult and strange, constantly living in an imaginary world where you hear people saying things that they actually never said...! Brachi: Yes was pointless mentioning Obers specifically. ISU doesnt care. It wipes them all. Nice attempt at fixating on an irrelevancy. His mention of Obers was irrelevant, but then you fixated on the irrelevancy, rather than the issue. Sort of did the same thing he did, but differently! In: COH2 Balance
Thread: IS2 vs Infantry24 Sep 2014, 12:11 PM Actually, its the opposite. The longer an engagement lasts, the more predictable it is. Its in the nature of RNG that there can be deviations in a narrow sample, but they are eventually equalled out. Such things as vet ypgrades can be included into the equations, but its not nearly as relevant to know the output of a unit that V2s halfeay through a fight, as it is to know the baseline statistical performance. The v2 event is just incidental, and easily added ontop ot the existing data. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: IS2 vs Infantry24 Sep 2014, 11:53 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2014, 11:35 AMCruzz And will I deduct it from the near shots, despite it being a huge ground target effort to micro the tanks so that they won't blow their load before closing in? Or should I add in the first shot as a long range one? Too much work either way. You already assume, in all the equations, that theynhave blown their load on something else first. Thats the problem with not deducting the first shot from the reloads. Reload is one of the core elements in your equations.It unfairly skews the numbers to assume the first shot requires a reload before it goes off. Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2014, 11:35 AMCruzz The entire point of those numbers was purely to show that the IS2 does not have some magical survivability advantage over Tiger when you take into account just how much better axis AT is. Making a point by unfairly representing figures, is no point. The difference narrows significantly if you deduct reload from the first shot. Your equations assume the first shot is fired at the desginated other element in the equations. Tgerefore it is not representative to include a reload timer BEFORE the first shot is fired. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: IS2 vs Infantry24 Sep 2014, 11:39 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2014, 11:25 AMKatitof Which means it have ever harder time hitting anything, thank you for contributing positively for the IS-2 being weak against infantry. Nope, not really. Squad dispersal is incidental. Its a problem overall in CoH2. Sometimes they clump, sometimes they dont. A 6man unit has a wider dispersal, so though there is a marginally greater chance a shot will hit a model, it also means it can hit it in the periphery of the larger, wider unit dispersal, causing dmg to less models than in a 4man unit where it is less dispersed and more likely to take a hit to the central grouping. IS2 also has 0.5 greater AoE radius, which is substantial in terms of hitting more models on a smaller unit, the line width of which is less than on a 6man unit, where it might wing it for a model kill on the edges, but "waste" the rest of its AoE to either side. Scatter, necessarily, is greater on IS2 for this reason, or it would wipe 4mans far more consistently. Thanks for the comment on positive contribution though Maybe one day someone might say the same to you, though it hasnt happened yet! In: COH2 Balance
Thread: IS2 vs Infantry24 Sep 2014, 11:20 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2014, 10:17 AMCruzz Obviously not, it's a purely theoretical value just to show the relative damage differences. You could just deduct one reload time from all the numbers if you want that. You should deduct if from your own figures. t makes a huge proportional difference, and is a much fairer representation, especially because much of your argument is resting on reload, for which you have not deducted the lack of reload preceeding the first shot from your equations. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: IS2 vs Infantry24 Sep 2014, 10:09 AM It doesn't need, nor should be, rounded. The 6.5 shots is an overall average. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: IS2 vs Infantry24 Sep 2014, 09:59 AM First shot is not affected by reload. Have you deducted that from your figures? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: IS2 vs Infantry24 Sep 2014, 08:52 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2014, 08:45 AMbutterfingers158 You mean like considerably lower reload and scatter thus meaning it does more DPS to both tanks and infantry? Sov infantry squads are larger, necessitating that. As to vs tanks, the IS2s armor answers that. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: IS2 vs Infantry24 Sep 2014, 08:37 AM The reload timer, and armor, are imo the two asymmetric counterweights here. Cruzzs point about t3 efficacy on both sides vs these super tanks is valid, though a bit overstated. IS2 needs better armor to survive vs Ost T3 (and T4, though thats moot, because Panther is crap), just as Tiger needs less vs Sov T3 (and T4, though that too is moot, because SU85 is a bit crap, and is overstepped by T34/85s). Im surprised to see IS2 has better speed/accelerstion stats, but Im ok with that considering Blitz. I dont think the scatter differential is a substantial issue. What are the AoE stats? In: COH2 Balance