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The_Courier: As I said, a weapon upgrade option, no matter how it compares to LMG, would still necessitate adding native ability equivalents to Grens in compensation.

Cons:
-Weapon Upgrade
-2 native abilities
-6man and cheaper reinforce

Grens:
-Weapon Upgrade

See the disparity?

Anyways, as you clearly said, you no longer favor a weapon upgrade option anyways, so we might as well drop that element of the discussion between us.

Ninja: If Vet stats are changed, it would mean vanilla V2-3 Cons would outright beat vanilla V2-3 Grens, and also be very effective vs Support Teams.
I dont think touching the vet stats is a good approach to this.

That is still yours(extremely flawed and based on knee jerk reactions) logic. Trying to enforce it onto me doesn't make it mine. Its also your opinion, not a fact based on what exactly? Nothing but paranoia.
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As I said, and you apparently conveniently ignored:

If Cons get a native weaopon upgrade option, in the same way that Grens have one, then it directly means Grens also would have to get 2 native starting abilities ewuivalent to Merge and Oorah, to keep asymmetric balance inline.

I suggest Sprint and Medikit, as they are sort of similar to Merg and Oorah and already have code.
Another Vet ability can be replaced into that slot.

Sorry if that is inconvenient for you, but you sort of have to remember other facrions when you are balancing, and not do it in a "i want this!" vaccuum way where you ignore how that changes balance for other factions too.

So yeah, Im ok with a Cons weapon upgrade, as long as its maintained in balance by compensating two native abilities for Grens too. Otherwise we end up with Cons simply being much much better thanks to not only also having a weapon upgrade, but also two native abilities, not to mention a 6man soak AND cheaper reinforce per man!

Not really rocket science to see that basic equivalence. Quite elementary, I think

By that logic, volks already make cons look like shit and rifles are most shitty infantry in game as they start with absolutely nothing unless you pour fuel on them.

As terrified of that thought as you are, no, grens position will be safe.

Well no.

Becuase by your logic, if Cons fot a native weapon upgrade, Grens would infsct be the shittiest of them all..

Im glad you recognise that, according to your logic

Also, now that I think of it, Cons would also need a higher reinforce cost once they do get a native weapon upgrade, cos otherwise they continue to carry the 6man advantage unfairly in comparison (and comparison is necessary, or otherwise we are talking in a vaccuum).

If Cons have a native weapon upgrade option, like Grens do with LMG, then it would pretty directly necessitate Grens to also have 2 native abilities to match Oorah and Merge.

How about Sprint and Medikit? They are sort of rough equivalents. They can have another Vet ability instead then.

Yep, sounds fair. + 1 to this.

Yeah, I figure a moving accuracy buff gives some character, and helps compensate indirectly the deplorable base accuracy in a way that represents the unit being constantly moving in engagements.

The rate of of fire buff helps compensate dmg and penetration by simple means of sheer number of shots fired.

I propose moving accuracy buff + rate of fire buff.

Ideally this unit should be in a constant motion of hunting tanks.