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You have already been told why this particular calculation is misleading. The correct comparison would be to compare Ostheer T3, USF T3, and Soviet T4. This is because Ostheer T4 gives you access to heavy armor while Ostheer T3 gives you access to mediums.

The cost to get mediums as Ostheer (T3) is:

15 (B1) - 20 (Start) + 40 (BP1) + 20 (B2) + 45 (BP2) + 75 (B3) = 175 fu

This value is very much in line with the time it takes to acquire other factions' medium tier. 5 slower than USF, 35 faster than Soviets.

Comparing T4 to Allied factions top tier, is comparing the time it takes to tech to a Panther to the time it takes to get a Sherman.

Semi agree...

Although the Brummbar isnt really heavy at all... The Pwerfer isnt worth going T4 for since they halved its rocket count and it has half the rage of the Katyusha. The Panther is the only decent tank in here and even that is pretty meh for the extra fuel you would have to pay to get it. (You could have 2 p4's AND be floating an extra 50 fuel instead of getting a panther).

Id take an SU85 over any of these any day.

I pointed out Ostheer's severe disadvantage in teching in other topics but got beaten back by the waves of idiots and fanboys...

Dont even get me started on how dead T4 is going to be in anything smaller than a 3v3.

It would be my job here to remind those (like Queenrachet and Katitiof) that the battle phase costs are not the teching costs of the Wehrmacht...

Since a player cannot merely purchase the battle phase and WISH tanks into existence... it would be apparent that they must also include BUILDING COSTS.

When you add that to the Battle phase costs... you will find Ostheer are 130 fuel more expensive than any other faction to tech up.

ALSO refer to my first post in this topic for starting fuel, before saying that its fair for Wehrmacht to pay 130 more than any other faction.

Americans have upgrades
Grenadiers have upgrades
Volks have upgrades
Conscripts ?????? have only shitty doctrinal ppsh upgrade and nerfed Ptrs upgrade. Even sandbags were nerfed. So cons must have something for late game. Maybe with veterancy they are becoming to strelki, with grenades and svt. Maybe make a dp upgrade, three dps for 80 ammo or two dps for 60 ammo. So something need to be done. Relic, make non doctrinal for cons while we have time to test it.

Would have to be 1 DP for 60 ammo lol...

Also... since the weapon profiles are separate (a Conscript DP would do the same as a guard DP). They would have to look at squad size OR cost...

Conscripts are currently the cheapest basic infantry because of their lack of upgrades. If youre going to give them LMG's then they need to be repriced (same reason Rifles and Grens are 28-30 mp per model NOT a nice cheap 20).

Same would apply if they gave Volks LMG's, they would need to be more expensive.

Meanwhile, that expensive grens cost the same 240 mp as the cheap cons.
That expensive grens reinforce full squad for 90mp while the cheap cons need 100mp.
That expensive grens don't need to flank, because they have Rnades that expensive grens also don't need to spend additional 25 fuel to use the Rnade. They also don't need to spend another 25 fuel to use inferior soft AT.

How come that cheap cons need MORE resources invested to them then these poor expensive grens and still are inferior to them?

Alex dropped on bullshit greatly recently, but knowing physics, nothing disappears into the void, I can tell all of his previous bullshit have found shelter in you.

You're completely clueless.

As long as cons and penals stay as they are, soviet meta will always center around call-ins.
While not tanks anymore, the need for doctrinal infantry is as strong as it ever was.
Even cheaper volks bring incomparably more to the table, have better doctrinal abilities, have better scaling and fight better at late game.

Cons are 20 per mode, Grens are 30 per model... Throwing up the "To reinforce from 1 man to full it would cost 90 for grens and 100 for cons" is just stupid and trying to cover up the actual costs per model and trying to make it sound like cons are actually more expensive...

And yeah Grens dont need to spend that extra 25 fuel on rifle nade.... Cos they start with 20 fuel, and sovs start with 50 fuel... and Wehrmacht costs more to tech (will soon be 130 fuel more). So.... yeah damn right they shouldn't have to buy the ability to fire rifle nades.

For someone who is usually the first to bang the "Asymmetrical balance" drum, youre having a pretty poor time of understanding it. Oh wait! thats because its a soviet buff thread and not an Axis one... My bad, Carry on being selective and hypocritical with your arguments when it suits.

lul what a biais assumption. If Werhmarch wants to skip building and rush T4, they only need to pay for their tier upgrades, not their T1,T2 or T3.
Not realistic? but it is the true. Because seriously assuming USF can rush T4 without BARs or ambulance is absolutely not realistic as well and it doesn't bother you to set it as a valid rush method.

SO they can save 5 fuel with the battle phases? But T4 is made 50 more expensive? I fail to see how there is an option here, since skipping T3 and going T4 costs an extra 130 fuel.