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I was trying to draw Comparison between T34/85 and Panther actually, not Pz4. But the Pz4J call in needs another 80 muni per tank to really make them effective.

I also just wanted to see the communities views on this. If they thought the call in's/t34-76/Sherman were overperforming for cost. - Not Overpowered as a unit (See newest Kat buff), just not as expensive as they should be with their current performance.

T70 isn't a medium tank, and tbh I think it's fine when compared with Stuart and Luchs, infact I think a Luchs can 1v1 a T70 and win handily, but a Stuart beats Luchs I think.

I also realize there is more to the mid-late game than just tanks, but even if you do get Infantry with anti-tank, Allied medium tanks are very good at Anti-infantry. The only good Medium Anti-Infantry Tank"s" for Germany are Pz4 and Ostwind - and the Ostwind isn't really a full tank.

So the more I play lately, the more it seems allied tanks - more so call ins are just so spammable and overperform for the cost, compared to similar Axis counter parts. This when using them and when going against them.

What are other thoughts on this? I still think there should be a tech level tied to call in's for all troops/tanks, etc. Other than Off maps.

I find most of these problems stem from the fact that the Panther - the "Premier medium tank" for both German factions just does not perform as good as it should, It performs about as good as a T34/85 but only vs tanks, its Anti Infantry is minimum at best. - Yes I realize the Panther is ment to be used as either a mobile flanking "Hunting" tank or long range slugger, but due to its terrible long range and on the move accuracy - paired with it's really low rate of fire means it just does not perform for it's cost.

Also means other tank counter's such as Jagdpanzer, Tiger and King Tiger just get swarmed by the time they can hit the field, even with Anti tank support, if it gets taken out and they trade a few tanks it does not matter allies usually have almost enough to drop another call in instantly.

The Puma seems the most solid vehicle Anti-tank that Okw have. Due to it's small profile it has good chance for shots to miss it, and has fairly good accuracy, rate of fire and damage, tied with it's Vet ability it can 1 Vs 1 almost any tank in the game, given the space and time if the tank is unsupported but that rarely happens.

So thoughts? Allied tanks too cheap/overperforming, Axis tanks too costly/underperforming or Should there be a Tech level/cost tied to call in Abilities?

Do not turn this thread in to a fanboy shitfest. Let's actually discuss this and bring up ideas/what could be done to make the mid-late game more fun other than just "Lol tank spam"

Also this is not a "Unit is overpowered thread" I think most of the tank's are pretty much where they need to be in terms of a unit and when they hit the field, I just feel some may be overperforming for their cost and are too cheap to field and/or too easily spammable.

It's Relic. They have been known for dodgy balance since CoH1/DoW1. They seem to overnerf/buff things at the same time, and as someone else stated here there seems to be some miscommunication going around at Relic seemingly.

As much as I love Relic games, just remember the multiplayer will have balance issues.

OKW find T1, snipers especially, very difficult to deal with.

What's point of the making powerfull unit more powerfull ?

I never beat or win against riflesquad as OKW. They were good but now they are better. Volks can't do anything and Mg's too and you give them free vet level 0 CP.

I'm not saying kill the Rifleman Squad or make them brain-dead squad. Just lower their power to make them equal.

Or remove the OKW and Ostheer from the game. USF and Soviet have massive field effects. Katyushka is 80 fuel E8 for 9 CP and AT guns and Panzerchrecks can't damage them. It's easy win at 1v1 as USF. There's no fun at all. By the way, Volks failed vs. Rifleman Squad, Volks and AT guns failed vs. E8, as always USF win easy. That muni. improvment can't help. Looks like Dev Team never played this game at all or They are always playing USF.

I don't hate USF and Soviet but you just make them too powerfull and killing the other two. That's why the serching for Axis %0 and Allies %100 now.

Edit:Missspelling

If you can't win against rifle squad you are doing something wrong. Either you aren't using Kubels for suppression, aren't paring sturms with Volks, together they eat rifles (Also need to focus fire on them), or you aren't moving/using sturms correctly, as they can beat rifles early game 1:1.