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5-men sq of PzGren will breaks all ballance. You want stronger version volks blob of doom?

Game is now decently ballanced.

Upgrade on individual basis per squad.Can't upgrade if with shreck and can't upgrade after 5 man done.
The alternative is increase recieved accuracy bonus to .20 from current .13.This was done before and amde them useful for a patch before being inexplicabaly removed as being 'a bug'.And stretch out their vet bonuses between vet 1 and vet 2.

I like reading people saying a unit they never use and learn to play with is shit/trash.

Since Obers are balanced, nobody use them anymore or really wrongly. But people are still crying they do not do the job. I well know that, I face OKW players half of my 1vs1 games and Obers are simply never seen on the field. That's funny when you see their T3 built at 7 minutes.
How can you know if they are bad or good if you never use them? Or so wrongly like an assault unit.
How can you ask a buff for Volks if you never use the exact unit dedicated to do what you beg for = AI power.

I have ready someone in this thread saying "Pzgrenadiers are shit, I don't use them since a year". Woooo, How can you estimate a unit is shit if you never use them? I played a single game as Ostheer vs Brit yesterday and build 3 of them, get them all vet2/vet3. I have myself little experience with Ostheer but I remember what I read here, "don't try to close the range, keep them in cover mid range and they'll do wonder..." so I did and so they did.
Again, I knew Pak is not meta vs Brit so I simply didn't build one and I went for an early Stug, and I owned his centaur in 20 seconds.
I knew if you get too confident with Ostheer and overextend too early, you can get hammered really hard, so I didn't extend further than owning 1/3 of the map + harass his fuel until I had enough units to extend to control 2/3 of the map and here again, it did wonder.

Here again, how can you ask for a 240mp grenadier squad being at the same level than a 280mp unit? how can you simply ask to have them going toes to toes with rifles or IS? There are many videos showing pzgrenadiers correctly used beating rifles and IS, simply use them the way they must be.

this topic is a concentrate of L2p frustration, people who doesn't want to learn to play the gameplay and game mechanism and beg Relic to modify the game at their convenience...

So the essence of ur post is - L2P.
Say that to the abbysymal win rates,given that top 150 players are counted i guess its L2P for them all.

This is what relic should have done rather than failed faction OKW.Instead of 2 lategame defense oriented low model count squad(reflecting low manpower) german armies they should have made one mid-war german army that actually represented it at it peak something like a 1942 wehrmacht around stalingrad.It would be a mobile aggresive faction not camping and based on light vehicle,medium vehicle play not late game uber tanks.

5 man Landser(With k98 and stick grenade)
Bike
Mg34
5 cm light mortar


Sdkfz-231 Heavy armoured car
Sdkfz- 251 Halftrack(upgrade - 75 mm short barrel stummel for infantry fire support or 3.7 cm pak36 mount for AT snare and light vehicle)
Pak 38 50 mm AT gun(with camo)

Panzer III(50mm L/60 gun)
Sdkfz 10 Heavy halftrack with flak gun mount
Nebelwerfer 41 towed rocket artillery
Marder III Tank destroyer
5 man Schutzen( Panzerknckaer hollow charge AT mine for very close range AT,with 2 upgradable LMG as in reality on motorized/pzgren squads)
Panzer IV F2(75mm gun)
88 mm Flak 36(Slow but mobile ,towed on tractor)


Doctrines -

1.Fire Assault(all-game fire support specialist)
Artillery officer
Veteran 81 mm mortar
Flares
Ju-88 Area bombing
Wespe Self propelled artillery

2.PanzerAssault(Tank specialist-Late game)
Repair bunker
Tank detection
Panzer commander (Range Upgrade on medium tanks)
Stuka support
Tiger

3.Infiltration Doctrine(Earl-midgame specialist)
Waffen SS /stormtroop(cloak,5 man MP38 and nade)
Quick capping
Stug III ausf B(anti-inf/bunker)
Tungsten-core Panzergranate Rounds(More penetration for tanks and at guns)
105mm artillery barrage


Thus above faction would be mobile,dependent on good infantry,light vehicles and medium tanks.
With a weak mg,light mortar,light AT gun and no sniper camping ability would be limited.
It would compensate for lack of heavies with 88 mm like germans did in this period.It could get tiger if chosen doctrinally.Tungsten rounds would also help mediums kill armoured opponents if infilration chosen.Or it could chose siege type fireassault doctrine,but would lack lategame armor .

Make it happen relic.We don't need another 1943 italy campy german army.

Newsflash:

T34s and shermans are also highly ineffective vs axis heavy armor.

You don't use medium tanks vs heavy tanks, you use TDs and ATGs with medium tanks protecting them from inf mainly.

Newsflash -No one builds mediums vs Heavy tanks.But you can't engage rampaging allied blobs with stugs.So acc to you if a medium tank is built earlier and later allied player brings out heavy tank its my fault?Panther is extremely difficult to get in competitive games.
Main issue is not that panzer 4 can't beat heavies,its that IT CAN'T EVEN PENETRATE REAR ARMOUR of heavies.
It bounces of OTHER MEDIUMS.Its almost as costly as e8/t-34/85 and loses hideously agianst these 2.
Worse penetration than lesser priced mediums like cromwell.

Just look at SU-76,currently broken unit.A tank destroyer dirt cheap with high penetration,60 range and free barrage.WORST of all it COUNTERS IT COUNTERS,can't remember how many times i see barrage out of fog of war killing my paks.Unit needs direct nerf.

What do you have to say about that?

Wait, is the OP upset that a Medium tank cannot penetrate Allied Heavy tanks.... my god it's the buff Sherman pen threads all over again.

I'm upset it fails to penetrate mediums like e8 regularly,as well failing to penetrate rear of heavies like is2 and comet.Its much too costly,Especially when u compare t-34/85 and e8 with 5-10 more fuel and FAR more strength.I also want to know how u justify su-76 performance for its cost while ur bashing p4.
It is atm a lacklustre and ineffective unit,that most wehr players ignore.