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Why is there so much crying over Maxim spam?

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18 Sep 2019, 14:23 PM
#21
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 14:09 PMFarlion
You can tell which players in this thread are good and which aren't.

Ignoring that the Maxim can pack up and deploy instantly, thus reacting to flanks much better than the MG42, is definitely the sign of being bad, or just incredibly biased.


The irony in this post is incredible. Maxim times were nerfed many patches ago.
18 Sep 2019, 14:30 PM
#22
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It doesn't matter if it actually could reposition quickly (it can't anymore, shows how much you use it) as long as it can't actually do anything while shooting at the enemy. What's more, it moves as quickly as the enemy, so if you do have to reposition (like say there is a volks squad heading directly at your mg, frontally) you won't be able to set up in time to actually start no applying Supression anyways. The nearly time you need to respond to a threat is the same as an mg42, the difference is that if and mg42 does reposition and start shooting the enemy starts eating dirt.


Nonsense. Compare the time it takes to pack up an MG42 and then see how long it takes to reposition a Maxim. You're also conveniently ignoring the actual point of this thread, namely Maxim spam. So when one Maxim has to redeploy, another can easily cover it.

Your last point is also incorrect. The Maxim is much, much more capable to respond to a sudden threat than the MG42. Of course, if you mindless try to bash your head in by charging it frontally, of course the MG42 will suppress faster, that is it's strength and why it takes significantly longer to redeploy.



The irony in this post is incredible. Maxim times were nerfed many patches ago.


This is a very bad post. It says nothing and ignores everything I said. The deploy time of the Maxim hasn't been touched in years.
18 Sep 2019, 14:33 PM
#23
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Id define all mg spam infuriating, instead of throwing bias of certain factions mg being more annoying.
18 Sep 2019, 14:34 PM
#24
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 14:30 PMFarlion

Your last point is also incorrect. The Maxim is much, much more capable to respond to a sudden threat than the MG42. Of course, if you mindless try to bash your head in by charging it frontally, of course the MG42 will suppress faster, that is it's strength and why it takes significantly longer to redeploy.


"The mg42 will suppress faster cause that's it's strength"

They are MGs!!! Suppression is their only fucking job, you're basically saying that maxim is better at running away. It's setup time is not fast at all anymore. It only packs up faster (as long as it's not getting deathlooped)
18 Sep 2019, 14:40 PM
#25
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I feel the need to remind people that there was a time that maxim could sprint and could pack unpack very fast making very difficult to flank especially with units with relatively low mid to close DPS.
18 Sep 2019, 14:51 PM
#26
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 14:40 PMVipper
I feel the need to remind people that there was a time that maxim could sprint and could pack unpack very fast making very difficult to flank especially with units with relatively low mid to close DPS.


That time is not the current timeline anymore
18 Sep 2019, 14:55 PM
#27
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I don't think anyone wants the old Maxim back. Just want the current one to actually do it's job
18 Sep 2019, 15:38 PM
#28
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That time is not the current timeline anymore

I simply reminded some facts since some people where arguing about how easy/difficult it was to flank a maxim. That really depends at what point.
18 Sep 2019, 16:16 PM
#29
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"The mg42 will suppress faster cause that's it's strength"

They are MGs!!! Suppression is their only fucking job, you're basically saying that maxim is better at running away. It's setup time is not fast at all anymore. It only packs up faster (as long as it's not getting deathlooped)


False on all counts. It is significantly faster than the MG42.

Second, you can't have a six man, fast deploying MG squad on top of good suppression. If you don't like the Maxim, there's always the Dhsk.
18 Sep 2019, 16:22 PM
#30
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 16:16 PMFarlion


False on all counts. It is significantly faster than the MG42.

Second, you can't have a six man, fast deploying MG squad on top of good suppression. If you don't like the Maxim, there's always the Dhsk.


The redeployment time being 1-2 seconds slower is negligible once you consider both the wider arc and better suppression. A flanking squad can get a nade off on a freshly repositioned maxim far easier than a freshly repositioned mg42 when it suppresses and pins so quickly. The age old rule still Applies. If a decrewed maxim or Mg42 is on the field, You take the 42.
18 Sep 2019, 16:47 PM
#31
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 16:16 PMFarlion


False on all counts. It is significantly faster than the MG42.

Second, you can't have a six man, fast deploying MG squad on top of good suppression. If you don't like the Maxim, there's always the Dhsk.


MG42 spam is much worse than Maxim for the following reasons:

- The MG42 is available immediately and requires no teching or building construction whatsoever

- The MG42 has a much wider arch than a Maxim and pins instantly in almost every situation

- The MG42 in fact is considered the best MG in the game when all it's stats and abilities are taken into account

- despite being the best MG in the game it's also among the cheapest (only Maxim is cheaper) and is only 1 of 2 that is available immediately
18 Sep 2019, 17:19 PM
#32
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 16:47 PMCODGUY


MG42 spam is much worse than Maxim for the following reasons:

- The MG42 is available immediately and requires no teching or building construction whatsoever

- The MG42 has a much wider arch than a Maxim and pins instantly in almost every situation

- The MG42 in fact is considered the best MG in the game when all it's stats and abilities are taken into account

- despite being the best MG in the game it's also among the cheapest (only Maxim is cheaper) and is only 1 of 2 that is available immediately


Of course lets ignore 4 men vs 6 men.

Ib4 "but teh deathloop," deathloop is only an issue when the maxim is facing alot of DPS, which isnt an issue when there are 4 other maxims.
18 Sep 2019, 17:24 PM
#33
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The fear of spamming maxims is just unfounded.

Its mobility has been nerfed hard with removal of sprint. Its deploy time has been nerfed. Its supression has been nerfed. Its price has been nerfed. build time nerfed.

And the deathloop remains and is conciderd unfixable. Wich completely counteract "its more durable then all other mg,s"

To try to make it not suck. Its pick up time has been tweaked. Its supression has ben increased marginaly.
Its from what i saw in the other past about 50% of the mg42/34. In my experience using the maxim that seem to be accurate.

So how the hell would the op maxim return if we only increase its supression, while all the other factors that made it op remain gutted?
18 Sep 2019, 17:37 PM
#34
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 14:09 PMFarlion
You can tell which players in this thread are good and which aren't.

Ignoring that the Maxim can pack up and deploy instantly, thus reacting to flanks much better than the MG42, is definitely the sign of being bad, or just incredibly biased.


The maxim has 1 second shorter reposition time in exchange for a double the arc and double the suppression... ignoring those two is just bias

Then again you have an axis dp... i wouldnt be in doubt of your bias



Of course lets ignore 4 men vs 6 men.

Ib4 "but teh deathloop," deathloop is only an issue when the maxim is facing alot of DPS, which isnt an issue when there are 4 other maxims.


Can people stop it with the retarded 6 man meme argument?
The deathloop is an issue when facing two things... aoe and dps... both are very common things in the battlefield so maxims are decrewed with relative ease

In fact this argument fails soo retardedly hard when you consider that a grenadier or oberblob has the option to FRONTALLY CHARGE THE MAXIM... no other mg suffers from that quirk... most especially axis mgs
18 Sep 2019, 17:38 PM
#35
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Of course lets ignore 4 men vs 6 men.

Ib4 "but teh deathloop," deathloop is only an issue when the maxim is facing alot of DPS, which isnt an issue when there are 4 other maxims.


The deathloop is an issue when naded next to lots of dps. Its the only mg that gets naded frontaly so often.
I had 2 g43 fussies vet3 nicely next to eachother frontaly deathlooping it and wiping it. The maxim was setup when they entered vision and it started firing. Only one got supressed the other just killed the gunner, i tried to retreat it and gone was my maxim. No nades needed.

Only in fantasy land does this happen to other mg,s in simaler situations. Because they can supress effectively.

And when do you see 4 other maxims? You must live in the past.

The fact that you need more then one just do its jobs is a clear indicator it is very up mg.
18 Sep 2019, 17:59 PM
#36
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Of course lets ignore 4 men vs 6 men.

Ib4 "but teh deathloop," deathloop is only an issue when the maxim is facing alot of DPS, which isnt an issue when there are 4 other maxims.

Then make it expensive enough that you can't have 4.

The 6 man thing is a Soviet trait. Look at it this way:make the MG good enough that given the chance you would recrew it, even when not Soviet and then price it accordingly so it's not viable to spam them.
One could also increase the set up time so that it's not viable to attack move a bunch around. There's ways to have it useful and not rewarding to use as a Frontline unit but Noone is able to discuss anything about it without "maxim spam! 6 man squad!" and not even care that it costs 160mp just to unlock it.
18 Sep 2019, 19:01 PM
#37
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Ib4 "but teh deathloop," deathloop is only an issue when the maxim is facing alot of DPS, which isnt an issue when there are 4 other maxims.


Or literally any area of effect weapon..... You know, such as their dedicated counters (mortars)....

jump backJump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 16:16 PMFarlion

False on all counts. It is significantly faster than the MG42.


This is 100% a lie. Their setup times are exactly the same. Only the pack up time is faster, you are completely wrong. Ironic as hell for you to be accusing anyone of bias in this thread. You are either misinformed or a complete liar

Here's the note in the changelog. From 2 years ago:

Maxim HMG
Arc of fire increased from 60 degrees to 90 degrees (other MGs have 90-120 degrees)
* Setup time from 2 to 3 (other MGs have 3)
* Burst duration from 2.25 to 4.5
* Damage reduced from 4 to 3 (the DPS of the Maxim remains the same)
* Tracking speed from 35 to 28
* Reinforcement cost from 15 to 20
* Sprint removed from Vet1
* Sustained fire ability added at Vet1

Have you even played 1 game as the soviets in the last 2 years? How you could possibly miss this change...
18 Sep 2019, 19:38 PM
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