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Shrecks. Blobbing in 2v2s and above

10 Sep 2019, 23:28 PM
#42
avatar of Grumpy

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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Sep 2019, 21:03 PMAlphrum
xD, all while penals PTRS blobs are being spammed in team games......



Are PTRS blobs on Urban or Rural maps?


11 Sep 2019, 01:27 AM
#43
avatar of CODGUY

Posts: 877

They don't need to nerf the power of Schreks it's perfectly fine that they are netter than Bazookas but they should increase their cost back to 120 munitions for two.
11 Sep 2019, 01:43 AM
#44
avatar of ZombiFrancis

Posts: 2742

Usually around patch time old players make a return to try things out.

Many players also revert to tired old tactics while a new metagame starts to develop.

I wouldn't read too much into it.
11 Sep 2019, 07:16 AM
#45
avatar of ullumulu

Posts: 2241

here is the deal:

make schrecks a exact bazooker or piats copy.

and let equip them dual by volks, stpios, grens, pios etc

OK?
11 Sep 2019, 10:02 AM
#46
avatar of Mr Carmine

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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Sep 2019, 21:03 PMAlphrum
xD, all while penals PTRS blobs are being spammed in team games, and USF bazooka blobs too, dont forget the piats in UKF. but those are okay for some reason.

If u want, nerf the pen and damage on shreks to bazooka levels, and give the option for volks to once again upgrade 1 shrek, i wonder how long this allied trolls will last to make another thread



Their alpha damage is lower. They bounce more often. Axis tank can get out at warp speed get extra armour/hp with vet.and have instant smoke or smoke sreen in doctrines. Axis tanks have an easier time vs such blobs.
So no they are not fine but they are not as cheesy as shreck blobs for these very reasons.
11 Sep 2019, 13:22 PM
#47
avatar of Mr Carmine

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here is the deal:

make schrecks a exact bazooker or piats copy.

and let equip them dual by volks, stpios, grens, pios etc

OK?


Then we need to copy paste all axis armour and hp dps aoe stats to allies to make it even ok?
11 Sep 2019, 13:23 PM
#48
avatar of Stug life

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Then we need to copy paste all axis armour and hp dps aoe stats to allies to make it even ok?
ok make it pay as much tho
11 Sep 2019, 14:02 PM
#49
avatar of ullumulu

Posts: 2241



Then we need to copy paste all axis armour and hp dps aoe stats to allies to make it even ok?


after all this buffs to allies armor and nerfs to axis armor...they now on par overall.


look again the armor from all vehicles out there. look kv1 series, pershing, ISU, churchs, etc.

you will see...yes jagtiger has most armor...but many allies vehicles has armor above 350.

and many AT units from axis has so less pen (jp4) or less range (stugs) ...has often no turrets, are slow, schrecks has horrible accu on far, and only on expansive (nondoc) units.

so...overall..allies have better and more mobile AT platforms / units
11 Sep 2019, 14:09 PM
#50
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you will see...yes jagtiger has most armor...but many allies vehicles has armor above 350.

Name 2.
11 Sep 2019, 14:13 PM
#51
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 14:09 PMKatitof

Name 2.


ISU and IS2 should be around this value.
11 Sep 2019, 14:15 PM
#52
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ISU and IS2 should be around this value.

Only 1 of these is above 350.
You've claimed multiple.

Where are these "many" vehicles above 350 armor you claimed?
11 Sep 2019, 14:17 PM
#53
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 14:15 PMKatitof

Only 1 of these is above 350.
You've claimed multiple.

Where are these "multiple" vehicles above 350 armor?


i looked and the ISU has 340 armor. so two are multiple when you arent a erbsen zählen.
11 Sep 2019, 14:22 PM
#54
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i looked and the ISU has 340 armor. so two are multiple when you arent a erbsen zählen.



but many allies vehicles has armor above 350 .


Is it so hard to admit being full of bullshit and getting a bit humble?
11 Sep 2019, 14:23 PM
#55
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after all this buffs to allies armor and nerfs to axis armor...they now on par overall.


look again the armor from all vehicles out there. look kv1 series, pershing, ISU, churchs, etc.

you will see...yes jagtiger has most armor...but many allies vehicles has armor above 350.

and many AT units from axis has so less pen (jp4) or less range (stugs) ...has often no turrets, are slow, schrecks has horrible accu on far, and only on expansive (nondoc) units.

so...overall..allies have better and more mobile AT platforms / units


All of those allied heavies are doctrinal. So allies only have high armour unless ukf techs to them or in doctrines. So that is not a argument.

Allies having higher pen is because axis have higher armour stock. Remember the usseles su76 and bounce u 85 machine gun and paper jakson? Those dsys are long gone. Axis tanks actualy get tougher with vet this is also a reason. The last is okw has a non doc super heavy with you geussed very high armour.

Axis have the most mobile at infantry with the highest pen and highest damage but low rof. Axis have tougher tanks with same or better dps.

Look i never said remove shrecks from pgrens or axis in general. God what a bunch of werabo,s. Imagine as okw you blobbing isnt the best way. Imagine not one shotting or nearly one shotting a medium tank. Ooowww the horror you must face. Esp if said blob gets countered or heaven forbid deleted in an instant, like allied ( mainly Soviet ) mediums.

Its about how easy you can blob a high alpha damage unit for a dime compertivly. Only from remove them fussies. A 5 men squad for what 280 mp with double shrecks for 100 ammo i believe. 1 shreck on 235 mp was a problem before o now 280 mp and you get 2.
11 Sep 2019, 16:00 PM
#56
avatar of Mazianni

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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 14:22 PMKatitof




Is it so hard to admit being full of bullshit and getting a bit humble?


Some people on this forum have a difficult time with reading comprehension, even (especially?) regarding their own posts.

Most of these people happen to have 5-6 times more games as axis than allies
11 Sep 2019, 16:28 PM
#57
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Some people on this forum have a difficult time with reading comprehension, even (especially?) regarding their own posts.

Most of these people happen to have 5-6 times more games as axis than allies


and some people continue to be unnecessarily toxic with thousands of posts despite not having played the game properly for the past few months
11 Sep 2019, 22:45 PM
#58
avatar of Alphrum

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All of those allied heavies are doctrinal. So allies only have high armour unless ukf techs to them or in doctrines. So that is not a argument.

Allies having higher pen is because axis have higher armour stock. Remember the usseles su76 and bounce u 85 machine gun and paper jakson? Those dsys are long gone. Axis tanks actualy get tougher with vet this is also a reason. The last is okw has a non doc super heavy with you geussed very high armour.

Axis have the most mobile at infantry with the highest pen and highest damage but low rof. Axis have tougher tanks with same or better dps.

Look i never said remove shrecks from pgrens or axis in general. God what a bunch of werabo,s. Imagine as okw you blobbing isnt the best way. Imagine not one shotting or nearly one shotting a medium tank. Ooowww the horror you must face. Esp if said blob gets countered or heaven forbid deleted in an instant, like allied ( mainly Soviet ) mediums.

Its about how easy you can blob a high alpha damage unit for a dime compertivly. Only from remove them fussies. A 5 men squad for what 280 mp with double shrecks for 100 ammo i believe. 1 shreck on 235 mp was a problem before o now 280 mp and you get 2.


wtf are u talking about, everyone has to tech for high armoured units, and bazookas tend to be VERY good vs anything below the panther, which is majority of axis vehicles. The only faction that has a right to cry is USF because of ther low armour but UKF has high armoured tanks where bazookas wont do sht, and in fact you can use doctrines as a reason for soviets because most of ther doctrines gives them access to very good tanks, soviets doctrines are unique in that regard then to every other faction. (when soviets where originally designed the faction play style was designed to be relied on what doctrine u chose which is why they have some of the best and most useful doctrines).

are you claiming allies don't have good mobile AT inf too? what makes them just as dangerous is the ability to snare. Look, in order to get double shreks for example, they come on an expensive squad 4 man squad or for OKW in 2 doc's, while for e.g. uSF can equip riflemen squad with X2 bazookas WITH snare or put it on a dirt cheap rear echleon squad, no doc;s required. UKF can do them same on engineers with snare. ALL factions can have powerful inf AT, however, which is better is situational but one thing clearly going for allies is the accessibility.
11 Sep 2019, 22:56 PM
#59
avatar of Stug life

Posts: 4474



Some people on this forum have a difficult time with reading comprehension, even (especially?) regarding their own posts.

Most of these people happen to have 5-6 times more games as axis than allies
there are people in this forum with literally 10 game as axis and 2000 as usf :snfPeter:
11 Sep 2019, 23:31 PM
#60
avatar of Balanced_Gamer

Posts: 783

The factions that really blob with AT mostly is Allies in contrast to Axis in my experiences.

It is usually only in team games that I really ever counter such AT blobs.:spam:

Rating from top to bottom, the usage and likelihood of infantry acquiring handheld AT equipment.

1. SU (depends on teching but T1 is usually the main choice, so that is why and it is cost effective the AT package)
2. USF and WEHR are somewhat a tie (both depending on what they tech and dont tech, but in terms of efficiently blobbing in team games with AT, I would say WEHR blobs more generally with AT in team games mainly)
3. UKF (Sappers are efficient, survivable and have snare. Always a reason going for AT blobs with UKF but it comes down to cost also. I have encountered also UKF AT blobs too)
4. OKW (since they have cost ineffective and no real handheld AT equipment except for Pzfusiliers)


All in all it is hard to generalize which is the most used faction with infantry AT blobbing but it is most certainly not Axis 100% of the time.
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