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22 Aug 2019, 20:10 PM
#201
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then what is ur argument? that green should be weaker vs explosive weapon than all other main line ?
22 Aug 2019, 20:11 PM
#202
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These slight adjustments for Ostheer abilities are great, but can USF be given some love too? They have similar lackluster abilities, simply because their pricing or timing are off.

> M5 in Tactical Support still comes at 3 CP, even though UKF gets it at 2 CP and Mechanized can get you a halftrack at 1-ish CP.
> Suppression Strafe in Tactical Support very overpriced, while not offering anything noteworthy over the Ostheer and Airborne Guard suppression strafe which only cost 60 munitions.
> 1919 comes at 3 CP while being equal to the LMG42 which comes at 1,5~ CP, could experiment with it being unlocked at 2 CP like most other weapon upgrades (PPSH, G43, 5 men, etc).

I think most would agree slight changes to these abilities would be beneficial for USF's faction variety, without breaking the game.
22 Aug 2019, 20:12 PM
#203
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Damage reduction for Grens

Are you fucking kidding me? Are grenades just supposed to be fucking worthless versus grens now?

Jesus Christ, reduce their reinforcememt time and cost at vet 3 if you want, but this damage reduction nonsense, especially after we literally just got done removing it from Rangers, and right after all the indirect fire nerfs to USF and Soviets.

Why would anyone think this is a good idea? I mean, its a four man squad nondoc, sure. It's also 240mp.


It is the core mainline infantry unit of the faction, with only 4 models, that gets wiped way too easily.
22 Aug 2019, 20:14 PM
#204
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Inject the tears about the Gren change into my veins :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
22 Aug 2019, 20:14 PM
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22 Aug 2019, 20:15 PM
#206
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I don't agree with damage reduction change on Grenadiers, all they need is a slight reduction in reinforcement cost.

As has been mentioned, a damage reduction needlessly punishes Allied players for using explosive weaponry like nades or mortars.
22 Aug 2019, 20:15 PM
#207
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then what is ur argument? that green should be weaker vs explosive weapon than all other main line ?


What is your argument? That grens should be stronger versus aoe weapons than any other mainline? That gren models, uniquely, should be able to tank point-blank frag grenades and shrug off aoe weapons that would have otherwise killed them in a single shot?

Isn't this exactly why rangers lost theirs?

Man, if all this bitching is so utterly impossible to satisfy without implementing such a retarded buff why don't we just make grens volksgrenadiers. Nerf the damage on their rifles to 12 and add a 5th man. There you go.
22 Aug 2019, 20:16 PM
#208
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These slight adjustments for Ostheer abilities are great, but can USF be given some love too? They have similar lackluster abilities, simply because their pricing or timing are off.

> M5 in Tactical Support still comes at 3 CP, even though UKF gets it at 2 CP and Mechanized can get you a halftrack at 1-ish CP.
> Suppression Strafe in Tactical Support very overpriced, while not offering anything noteworthy over the Ostheer and Airborne Guard suppression strafe which only cost 60 munitions.
> 1919 comes at 3 CP while being equal to the LMG42 which comes at 1,5~ CP, could be experiment with being unlocked at 2 CP like most weapon upgrades (PPSH, G43, 5 men, etc).

I think most would agree slight changes to these abilities would be beneficial for USF's faction variety, without breaking the game.
i do agree with those changes but when was the last time u saw mobile defence :snfPeter:
22 Aug 2019, 20:16 PM
#209
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I actually like the gren changes, but damage should increase on pineapples at vet 3. Reduced damage from tanks is a good change
22 Aug 2019, 20:16 PM
#210
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The point is that Grens are all that Wehrmacht has. PzGrens are good, but unsuitable to certain matchups, which leave you with Grens. That's it.

And those Grens have the ability to get wiped in one shot by a lucky Sherman round. And if they're even slightly below 90 % health, even a stray mortar round is going to wipe them in yellow cover. This change has long been overdue.
22 Aug 2019, 20:17 PM
#211
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I don't agree with damage reduction change on Grenadiers, all they need is a slight reduction in reinforcement cost.


Nonsense they desperately needs this, as they get wiped so freaking easily with their 4 model squads.


As has been mentioned, a damage reduction needlessly punishes Allied players for using explosive weaponry like nades or mortars.


As it is right now, every ostheer players is getting needlessly punished for just playing the faction and using its core mainline infantry unit with 4 models that get wiped by every sneeze and breeze out there

22 Aug 2019, 20:18 PM
#212
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SO BUILD PZGRENS
SO USE A G43 DOC
SO USE THE BEST MORTAR IN THE GAME AND THE ABILITY DESIGNED TO COUNTER THESE VERY TACTICS


If the solution is to LMG Grens vulnerability to indirect fire is to just get a substandard upgrade and force OST into a subset of their doctrines, then thats bad design.

And BTW Counterbattery isnt a very good (on Gwr34).
22 Aug 2019, 20:19 PM
#213
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What is your argument? That grens should be stronger versus aoe weapons than any other mainline? That gren models, uniquely, should be able to tank point-blank frag grenades and shrug off aoe weapons that would have otherwise killed them in a single shot?

Isn't this exactly why rangers lost theirs?

Man, if all this bitching is so utterly impossible to satisfy without implementing such a retarded buff why don't we just make grens volksgrenadiers. Nerf the damage on their rifles to 12 and add a 5th man. There you go.


Are you okay there mate?
22 Aug 2019, 20:20 PM
#214
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I don't agree with damage reduction change on Grenadiers, all they need is a slight reduction in reinforcement cost.

As has been mentioned, a damage reduction needlessly punishes Allied players for using explosive weaponry like nades or mortars.


Any Gren that eats a mortar round or grenade is still going to have a bad time.
22 Aug 2019, 20:20 PM
#215
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SEPTEMBER 2019 PATCH PREVIEW - Version 1.2 Changes
August 22nd 2019




The tigers have far AOE damage from .1 to 1.75.... is that a typo or is it really getting a 17x boost and also beyond close AOE damage?

edit: just saw that it was pointed out already.
22 Aug 2019, 20:20 PM
#216
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Fine. Make them a 5-man squad with worse rifles. Problem solved. No more 'random' aoe wipes.

And counterbat got buffed, should be far more practical to use now.
22 Aug 2019, 20:21 PM
#217
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What is your argument? That grens should be stronger versus aoe weapons than any other mainline? That gren models, uniquely, should be able to tank point-blank frag grenades and shrug off aoe weapons that would have otherwise killed them in a single shot?

Man, if all this bitching is so utterly impossible to satisfy without implemented such a retarded buff why don't we just make grens volksgrenadiers. Nerf the damage on their rifles to 12 and add a 5th man. There you go.
.... u could add a model at vet 3 and remove the ra and accuracy bonus at vet 3, if u think damage reduction is op (although damage reduction is actually worse than 1 more man)
22 Aug 2019, 20:22 PM
#218
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And counterbat got buffed, should be far more practical to use now.


What does this even have to do with Grens?
22 Aug 2019, 20:22 PM
#219
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22 Aug 2019, 20:23 PM
#220
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Any Gren that eats a mortar round or grenade is still going to have a bad time.


Any gren that eats a 80*0.8 mortar round or grenade is still going to tank between 2-3 direct hit rifle rounds, and all at the single model level (and assuming the shots land)

jump backJump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 20:22 PMFarlion


What does this even have to do with Grens?


Was a response to Hoshi, who was the prior poster when post was written. Thanks for adding a useless post to the thread.
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