I dont mind another small price increase but Im not sure if the people crying for bigger combat nerfs, are aware of what would happen then.
USF would be an absolute shitshow vs massive Panther/JP4/Elefant/King Tiger/Stuka/Pwerfer gameplay again in 2v2 and upwards like it was the case from 2014-16.
Your AT guns and zooks are nullified once the opponent has superheavies, rocket arty or vet 1 brumm.
Jackson needs some more buffs
2 Aug 2019, 11:40 AM
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2 Aug 2019, 11:45 AM
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like ukf ? i don't remember them getting 2 td
He said AT units not TDs. Comet, AEC both qualify
Closest thing US has after Jackson is Stuart
2 Aug 2019, 12:38 PM
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Closest thing US has after Jackson is Stuart
yeah like, closest thing OH has after stugIII is teller mine. Absolutly unrelated comparison.
2 Aug 2019, 12:57 PM
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All the TDs?not if they are faster
The M10 is mobile. The Firefly has a turret and enough mobility and tulips. Honourable mentiones to the Puma and Panther as mobile vehicle hunters, if not proper TDs.
The vulnerable to rushes part is purely for fixed casemate TDs like the SU85 and JgPz IV and StuG.
What they are all actually vulnerable to is infantry, for which they have zero response. And the jackson is as weak there as any other TD.
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2 Aug 2019, 12:58 PM
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so is tiger qualified ?
He said AT units not TDs. Comet, AEC both qualify
Closest thing US has after Jackson is Stuart
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2 Aug 2019, 12:58 PM
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
2 Aug 2019, 13:00 PM
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yea point taken but comet is a generalist with high pen not an at platform
Is Tiger stock?
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2 Aug 2019, 13:05 PM
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yea point taken but comet is a generalist with high pen not an at platform
Go back a few posts, wording is bad, but context fits the argument.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
2 Aug 2019, 13:14 PM
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Go back a few posts, wording is bad, but context fits the argument.
MOBILE DEDICATED AT UNIT
wording is not bad he said dedicated and anyway zook exist
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2 Aug 2019, 13:47 PM
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It also did 240 dmg back then, and could 3 shot medium tanks which it had no trouble penetrating
That's also not the reason for the moving acc multiplier. A) a the various Shermans have it too, it's a USF thing not the Jackson.
B) heavy tanks have massive target sizes so they're hard to miss, the moving accuracy had little to do with that
what are u on about, your purposely missing the point. Even if Jackson had no trouble missing heavies its all pointless if they couldn't pen it from the front, which is why they had 0.75 acc to encourage flanking however, against decent players this was difficult to rely on. Yes, all usf vehicles had 0.75 acc because back then all axis heavies had much better armour and usf tanks couldn't reliably pen from the front whilse axis could do at ease, so they had to flank. As soon as a panther, tiger or KT hit the field it was game over for usf.
2 Aug 2019, 15:21 PM
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MOBILE DEDICATED AT UNIT
wording is not bad he said dedicated and anyway zook exist
I would have worded differently if Sherman at shells were reliable to pen anything heavier than the ostwind. If you look it faction wise, Jackson may be your only at source the player get until he backtrack T2 to get unreliable atgun on which you must spend munition on top of that to pen a okw pz4
2 Aug 2019, 15:26 PM
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I would have worded differently if Sherman at shells were reliable to pen anything heavier than the ostwind. If you look it faction wise, Jackson may be your only at source the player get until he backtrack T2 to get unreliable atgun on which you must spend munition on top of that to pen a okw pz4
If anything the Jackson needs a slight health buff otherwise it's fine the way it is. Like you said it's your only really good AT weapon most of the time as USF. The days where the Jackson had barely any health were pathetic. You could blitz the Jackson with an Ostwind and come out on top it was sad.
2 Aug 2019, 16:09 PM
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If anything the Jackson needs a slight health buff otherwise it's fine the way it is. Like you said it's your only really good AT weapon most of the time as USF. The days where the Jackson had barely any health were pathetic. You could blitz the Jackson with an Ostwind and come out on top it was sad.
Wtf jackson does not need more health lul.
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2 Aug 2019, 16:54 PM
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ignore him codguy is a know allied troll, pretty much wants nukes at 5 min, just consider anything he write as
Wtf jackson does not need more health lul.
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2 Aug 2019, 17:41 PM
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Wtf jackson does not need more health lul.
I mean it doesn't have to have a buff but it would help make it less vulnerable to stuff like double schreks and AT guns, as it is those things easily defeat a Jackson.
2 Aug 2019, 18:20 PM
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well duh at gun defeat tank who would expect that, what should it be invulenrable to those
I mean it doesn't have to have a buff but it would help make it less vulnerable to stuff like double schreks and AT guns, as it is those things easily defeat a Jackson.
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2 Aug 2019, 18:35 PM
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yeah like, closest thing OH has after stugIII is teller mine. Absolutly unrelated comparison.
What happened to the panther, genius? Unless you're gonna tell me that's not an AT vehicle?
yea point taken but comet is a generalist with high pen not an at platform
It's far from a generalist anymore. Much better at AT then it is at AI
It has 10 less pen at max range than a ZiS gun, and better pen at close. Calling that an AT unit is far from a stretch
2 Aug 2019, 18:47 PM
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well duh at gun defeat tank who would expect that, what should it be invulenrable to those
So you know Axis factions have ways to easily defeat a Jackson, why the hell are we arguing for nerfs then?
2 Aug 2019, 18:48 PM
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cause it can easily run or avoid those, it's too fast, a normal 60 range td can't
So you know Axis factions have ways to easily defeat a Jackson, why the hell are we arguing for nerfs then?
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2 Aug 2019, 18:50 PM
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what are u on about, your purposely missing the point. Even if Jackson had no trouble missing heavies its all pointless if they couldn't pen it from the front, which is why they had 0.75 acc to encourage flanking however, against decent players this was difficult to rely on.
I'm not missing any point, this still makes no sense. Even on the move while flanking, it's hard to miss heavy tanks. The moving acc. has nothing to do with needing to flank heavies, it wouldn't help that at all
It had 480 health back then, you weren't supposed to flank with it. That's what m10s are for
And idk why you say USF vehicles "had" .75 modifier. All of them still have it, it's the British vehicles that have had it removed
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