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Comet tank has been too nerfed.

21 Apr 2019, 17:54 PM
#41
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Apr 2019, 17:46 PMddd


You are talking gibberish. Thats the only retarded thing i see so far.

The fact that everyone in this thread agrees on churchill being better at doing excatly the same things as comet illustrates the problem perfectly. Comet should not be fulfilling the same role as churchill. The choice between hammer and anvil should be meaningful and resulting in different units for different tasks. Currently comet is weaker at spearheading attacks and exchanging fire with enemy tanks while at the same time being bad at hunting lone tanks.

Great example of comet + firefly combo being remotely good. Show me one person that prefers that combo over churchill + firefly. You are further proving my point.
comet+comet is better than comet FF if they don't have heavy tank and vs heavy TD
21 Apr 2019, 18:19 PM
#42
avatar of TheOldBreed

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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Apr 2019, 18:08 PMKatitof
Should someone tell Kurobane about all the churchills?


This ^
21 Apr 2019, 21:36 PM
#43
avatar of LoopDloop

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I just wish the main gun could actually hit infantry more than once every 5 shots and got some reload bonuses.
22 Apr 2019, 14:00 PM
#44
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Apr 2019, 16:59 PMddd


Im not lying, you are just keeping your head in your butt. I didnt say p4 can handle comet or beat it. P4 can however normaly function on the battlefield while comet is around, still doing work around map and in case comet shows up just reverse with ease.

Compare it to panther presence on the field. Sherman/t34/cromwell will just be chased down by panther if they step out a little. Panther will penetrate them 100% times and requires 3 snares to get engine damaged.



Interesting. Thats excatly what im talking about. Comet tries to do the same things churchill does already, but for more fuel and with worse results. Thats why i suggested to turn comet into dedicated tank hunter, with better penetration, rate of fire and maybe healt in exchange for armor (dont need 290 to hunt mediums).



Wow, your head is so far up your rectum that you can't even see how retarded your own argument is.

"The P4 can still normally function" -> Just like how all tanks can "normally function" even though the enemy has anti-tank guns and tank destroyers, because all you need to do is reverse, right? You mention Allied mediums being chased down by Panthers - it's as if P4s can just town portal back to base whenever a Comet appears? If you're comparing an unsnared Panther that is given all the time and space it wants and needs to hunt down medium tanks, how is that any different from an unsnared Comet that doesn't have to face anti-tank guns, mines, or snaring infantry and gets all the time and space it wants and needs to hunt Axis mediums?

The Panther is indeed a better tank hunter, but the Comet has no issues bullying/hunting medium tanks at all. It reminds me of Asian parents saying that their child has failed because their child got a B and someone else got an A. Of course, you're also comparing the performance of a dedicated tank hunter fighting trash-cost tanks against a generalist super medium tank fighting premium mediums like the OKW P4. A more reasonable comparison would have been the Panther vs EZ8 or T34-85, but of course that would destroy your entire argument since a Panther has more difficulty killing an Allied premium medium than the Comet would have killing an Axis premium medium (OKW P4). In fact, any reasonable comparison would prove you wrong -> The Comet has a 100% pen chance on the Ost P4, which is more expensive than stock Allied mediums. And trash-cost mediums like a single Stug or Ostwind would get easily demolished by the Comet, relying entirely on AT guns and snaring infantry to secure its escape. But of course, being reasonable is way beyond you.

I definitely agree the Comet is in a bad spot and not an attractive option at all. It's just that your logic is atrocious. Even though I fundamentally agree with your recommendations I'm left with no recourse but to oppose you based on how incredibly biased (and pompous) you are in constructing your argument(s).
22 Apr 2019, 15:20 PM
#45
avatar of SkysTheLimit

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I just wish the main gun could actually hit infantry more than once every 5 shots and got some reload bonuses.


Pretty much this. Reduce its scatter a little. And maybe give it back the moving accuracy modifier. I don't know why they took it off in the first place, it fits the Comets purpose
22 Apr 2019, 16:33 PM
#46
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Premium Medium + Premium Tech that costs way more than its counterparts. Comet kinda feels like pre-buff panther in that it is completely overshadowed by the t3 of the faction.
22 Apr 2019, 16:40 PM
#47
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Pretty much this. Reduce its scatter a little. And maybe give it back the moving accuracy modifier. I don't know why they took it off in the first place, it fits the Comets purpose


Accuracy on the move, a bit less scatter and a reload buff with vet and the comet Wil be right as rain
22 Apr 2019, 17:10 PM
#48
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Accuracy on the move, a bit less scatter and a reload buff with vet and the comet Wil be right as rain


Yeah is there any other tank in the game that doesn't get reload with vet? Even the overcaffinated m4c gun loader gets buffs
22 Apr 2019, 18:09 PM
#49
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Yeah is there any other tank in the game that doesn't get reload with vet? Even the overcaffinated m4c gun loader gets buffs


From memory, i think most if not all tanks (not counting light ones which might have an exception here n there) should have some kind of reload buff at certain vet level. Maybe the OKW ones, like KT might have it at vet levels pass vet3.

22 Apr 2019, 18:41 PM
#50
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Yeah is there any other tank in the game that doesn't get reload with vet? Even the overcaffinated m4c gun loader gets buffs

im pretty sure most do. seems like an oversigth that the comet doesnt, id be happy to see it get one and start from there

also side note, any idea why the comet vet bonus bulletin only provides 5% when most if not all others do 10%? seems like in an attempt to tone back its powerful raw stats they made its vet and vetting kinda meh
22 Apr 2019, 18:47 PM
#51
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From memory, i think most if not all tanks (not counting light ones which might have an exception here n there) should have some kind of reload buff at certain vet level. Maybe the OKW ones, like KT might have it at vet levels pass vet3.


They do.
Comet is the only generalist tank in game with no RoF buffs.
23 Apr 2019, 13:42 PM
#53
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invised post for trolling
24 Apr 2019, 11:42 AM
#54
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Buff its accuracy against infantry should do the job. I think Comet should slightly better against infantry than Panther does.

It is quite funny how Comet has more armour than Panther cuz irl, it is vice versa. It is currently so for balancing reasons I suppose.

British tanks irl were pretty shit to other faction tanks. Hard to say what is the best suit for Comets role. It was infantry focused so it therefore it should perform better against infantry.

Here is my idea. Nerf armour and buff health to the way Panther has. Price should be the same as Panther maybe even less. Comet should be better against infantry than Panther at least. It should be able to combat Panther but Panther should have better chances in winning. Maybe make Comet shoot every 5-6 sec instead, shoot faster than Panther since its barrel is shorter and has worse penetration.

These are kind of my thoughts thus far.

I do think Panther is better than Comet. Comet overall against infantry in my opinion still is better than Panther. The video did show how it performed but in what I have experienced against infantry, Comet is better. Comet against Panther in AT its worse.

25 Apr 2019, 02:29 AM
#55
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Original design of UKF lacked of any snare, hence Comet was intended to seek and destroy low health tanks, its slower than a cromwell but its heavier armor and better gun should do the job, it could also escort a firefly to stack up mobility and good dmg. It got nerfed too hard, i have to be honest, but since churchill is slightly overperforming (IRL was a great tank) comet is being overshadowed. It also involves hammer tech that its harder to play with compared to anvil tech.
25 Apr 2019, 07:53 AM
#56
avatar of ullumulu

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Fails from the shown vid:

- try it more than two times (what did you the other 5min before this test)
- try it with more range to the squad
- try it in other landscapes (its seems there is a little hill)
- try it with several covers
- try it with vets
29 Apr 2019, 11:06 AM
#57
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I made a thread focused around complaints and the performance of this tank when used by professional players like Luvnest or Hans.

In the luvnest case I remember a vet comet missing three shots in a row while a shrek squad danced at 15 range under its turret draining it's health away.

If it's job is as an "AI" tank as vipper suggests it should be a lot more reliable than it is now. It shouldn't be outclassed in AI by a 110f cromwell.

Imo give a reload buff at vet 2 and give it back 50 range same as panther.

29 Apr 2019, 11:44 AM
#58
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I made a thread focused around complaints and the performance of this tank when used by professional players like Luvnest or Hans.

In the luvnest case I remember a vet comet missing three shots in a row while a shrek squad danced at 15 range under its turret draining it's health away.

If it's job is as an "AI" tank as vipper suggests it should be a lot more reliable than it is now. It shouldn't be outclassed in AI by a 110f cromwell.

Imo give a reload buff at vet 2 and give it back 50 range same as panther.


I did not suggest that it should be an "AI tank". It is designed by Relic is an main battle tank in an all around role.

Its auto-fire "AI" might not be impressive but it gets more "AI" from its abilities like grenades and WP.

If one want to buff the unit one has to be careful since most Ostheer units are not good at as counters and only the equally expensive Panther can deal with it.
29 Apr 2019, 18:09 PM
#59
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Apr 2019, 11:44 AMVipper

I did not suggest that it should be an "AI tank". It is designed by Relic is an main battle tank in an all around role.

Its auto-fire "AI" might not be impressive but it gets more "AI" from its abilities like grenades and WP.

If one want to buff the unit one has to be careful since most Ostheer units are not good at as counters and only the equally expensive Panther can deal with it.


Short memory? I can go back and qoute you but you argued it was an AI tank with better vet than a panther and as such should not be buffed.

Anyway let's not go off topic, changing vet is hardly making it "uncountable" by any ostheer unit. Stug or Pak with Faust support counter it fine, panther currently is the "I win" button vs comet

29 Apr 2019, 18:18 PM
#60
avatar of Vipper

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Short memory? I can go back and qoute you but you argued it was an AI tank with better vet than a panther and as such should not be buffed.

Anyway let's not go off topic, changing vet is hardly making it "uncountable" by any ostheer unit. Stug or Pak with Faust support counter it fine, panther currently is the "I win" button vs comet


Comet can counter Paks with grenades and smoke/WP while the Stug has a hard time penetrating the frontal armor of the Comet.

My memory is fine and Comet is not an "AI" tank but a tank that has AI which is quite different. AI vehicles are units with primarily AI weapons like the hezter, centaur and Ostwind...
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