What's the point of this thread AT ALL ?
Fixing stuff is never in the scope of any patch ever.
Heavy Tank Call-Ins
6 Apr 2019, 14:15 PM
#41
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6 Apr 2019, 18:32 PM
#42
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What's the point of this thread AT ALL ?
Fixing stuff is never in the scope of any patch ever.
But there is at least hope for a bigger balance patch. If Andy_RE sees how many people want changes to heave call-ins and under performing units than the chance is much bigger to get this patch.
7 Apr 2019, 00:28 AM
#43
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But there is at least hope for a bigger balance patch. If Andy_RE sees how many people want changes to heave call-ins and under performing units than the chance is much bigger to get this patch.
Yeah if we complain enough it might be in-scope next patch. I'm sure Andy_RE notes this kinda stuff (I hope).
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7 Apr 2019, 00:42 AM
#44
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apply this to axis heavies, allied ones are fine since they are bad.
10/10 +1
/s
7 Apr 2019, 09:45 AM
#46
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apply this to axis heavies, allied ones are fine since they are bad.
The best Heavy is called Pershing...
7 Apr 2019, 10:38 AM
#47
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The best Heavy is called Pershing...
Which is fun, because its a panther with AI gun and lower health.
And Panther is hardly a heavy.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
7 Apr 2019, 11:39 AM
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Stat Panther and Pershing:
Panther
Speed: 6.6
Accel: 2.4
Rotate: 30
Armor: 260/90
Health: 960
Penetration near 260
Penetration mid 240
Penetration far 220
80 DMG distance 0.18
Pershing:
Speed: 6
Accel: 2
Rotate: 30
Armor: 300/110
Health: 800
Penetration near 260
Penetration mid 240
Penetration far 220
80 DMG distance 1.38
Ap shot
Damage 240
Penetration near 400
Penetration mid 350
Penetration far 300
Panther
Speed: 6.6
Accel: 2.4
Rotate: 30
Armor: 260/90
Health: 960
Penetration near 260
Penetration mid 240
Penetration far 220
80 DMG distance 0.18
Pershing:
Speed: 6
Accel: 2
Rotate: 30
Armor: 300/110
Health: 800
Penetration near 260
Penetration mid 240
Penetration far 220
80 DMG distance 1.38
Ap shot
Damage 240
Penetration near 400
Penetration mid 350
Penetration far 300
7 Apr 2019, 13:43 PM
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I'd put the Pershing up at the top as well. It's squishy as far as health but like every other stat is fantastic. It's just so damn reliable.
#stalinwept
7 Apr 2019, 13:48 PM
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I'd put the Pershing up at the top as well. It's squishy as far as health but like every other stat is fantastic. It's just so damn reliable.
Pershing is indeed a great tank, but given its health, its premium med tier, not heavy.
It got heavy tanks cost, but instead of bundle of survivability and firepower, it gets meh survivability and great firepower.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
7 Apr 2019, 13:58 PM
#52
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Pershing is indeed a great tank, but given its health, its premium med tier, not heavy.
It got heavy tanks cost, but instead of bundle of survivability and firepower, it gets meh survivability and great firepower.
Doesn't the game call it M26 Pershing Heavy Tank though?
7 Apr 2019, 14:00 PM
#53
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Pershing is indeed a great tank, but given its health, its premium med tier, not heavy.
It got heavy tanks cost, but instead of bundle of survivability and firepower, it gets meh survivability and great firepower.
Its got great armour. It's a glass cannon heavy tank but it's still a heavy tank. It's designed to fit the faction. Instead of a unit to soak up fire, which the usf is distinctly designed to lack, they get a highly mobile nuke launcher.
#stalinwept
7 Apr 2019, 14:19 PM
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Doesn't the game call it M26 Pershing Heavy Tank though?
The game also calls conscripts a soviet army backbone.
Plus, it was mostly morale thing, right after ww2 it was designated medium and stayed that way.
It also didn't fit actual heavy tank doctrine according to soviets, germans and british doctrines since US didn't had a heavy tank doctrine at all.
Point is, names don't mean much, stats do and according to stats, pershing is literally a comet if comet had a great gun.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
7 Apr 2019, 14:48 PM
#55
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The game also calls conscripts a soviet army backbone.
Plus, it was mostly morale thing, right after ww2 it was designated medium and stayed that way.
It also didn't fit actual heavy tank doctrine according to soviets, germans and british doctrines since US didn't had a heavy tank doctrine at all.
Point is, names don't mean much, stats do and according to stats, pershing is literally a comet if comet had a great gun.
Nah, that's fair.
7 Apr 2019, 16:18 PM
#56
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Pershing is indeed a great tank, but given its health, its premium med tier, not heavy.
It got heavy tanks cost, but instead of bundle of survivability and firepower, it gets meh survivability and great firepower.
It can be classed as a heavy tank. It’s got a 90mm gun and even though it hasn’t got that much health it’s definitely on a different level than “premium medium” tanks like the ez8 and okw p4.
I wish it had panther range though, given that it’s pretty squishy in terms of HP and is still a bit slower than the panther.
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7 Apr 2019, 16:30 PM
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It can be classed as a heavy tank. It’s got a 90mm gun and even though it hasn’t got that much health it’s definitely on a different level than “premium medium” tanks like the ez8 and okw p4.
It really can't for the reason other then in-game justification of mechanical limit to 1.
Gun caliber is irrelevant for tanks classification, Jackson also has 90mm gun and isn't heavy tank, while KV-2 uses literal howitzer and isn't classed as artillery, but a heavy.
Heavies are breakthrough/spearhead tanks, pershing isn't going to lead any spearheads lest it'll turn to scrap in seconds.
I wish it had panther range though, given that it’s pretty squishy in terms of HP and is still a bit slower than the panther.
Well, it does have 45 range, which is plenty, panther being tailored to counter such tanks is justified by having more.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
7 Apr 2019, 18:20 PM
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In real life and in game the Pershing was designed as a heavy Tank.
Pershing was only considered a medium tank post war.
Pershing was only considered a medium tank post war.
7 Apr 2019, 18:22 PM
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Funny how relic managed to make pershing proper heavy tank in coh1 and fucked it up in coh2 with some weird medium/heavy mix.
7 Apr 2019, 18:35 PM
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In real life and in game the Pershing was designed as a heavy Tank.
Pershing was only considered a medium tank post war.
Pershing was originally created as a medium tank, but at the end of 1944, to raise the confidence of the crews, it was reclassified into a heavy. In May 1946, with the changed American concept of tank forces, the Pershing was again reclassified into an medium tank.
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