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Ostheer TD range is unfairly ridiculous

30 Mar 2019, 11:25 AM
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Ostheer TD range is unfairly ridiculous.
Talking about stock TD units:

US:
Jackson: 60 Range

Soviet:
SU85: 60 Range
SU76: 60 Range

OKW:
Jagdpanzer IV: 60 Range
Panther: 50 Range

Ostheer:
StuG III: 50 Range
Panther: 50 Range

As if soviet SU85 can sight as far as 60 range for itself, SU76 track target also give sight;
Ostheer Tanks always will get hit first before it gets in range.

If StuG III remains 50 range for its price and tech, fine. But panther is locked at ridiculously expensive T4 with a price tag of 185 fuel. It should be brought in line with other dedicated TD.
30 Mar 2019, 11:34 AM
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Elefant range is unfairly ridiculous
Alies tanks always will get hit first before it gets in range
30 Mar 2019, 11:35 AM
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Elefant range is unfairly ridiculous
Alies tanks always will get hit first before it gets in range


But Elephant is overexpensive useless piece of poopoo. No one uses it anymore
30 Mar 2019, 12:00 PM
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But Elephant is overexpensive useless piece of poopoo. No one uses it anymore

Wut ? Its still crazy good in teamgames.
30 Mar 2019, 12:03 PM
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Wut ? Its still crazy good in teamgames.


Except its not
30 Mar 2019, 12:07 PM
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Except its not


I assume you are a low rank player? Low rank meta is completely different from high rank meta. They live in their own world in CoH2
30 Mar 2019, 12:12 PM
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But Elephant is overexpensive useless piece of poopoo. No one uses it anymore
Except its not


Good god you are hilarious.
30 Mar 2019, 12:13 PM
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Elefant is for su-85 exactly what su-85 is for stug. More range but less mobility. If elefant was useless in team games then su-85 would have to be useless in 1v1s. Except they are not.
30 Mar 2019, 12:16 PM
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Elefant is for su-85 exactly what su-85 is for stug. More range but less mobility. If elefant was useless in team games then su-85 would have to be useless in 1v1s. Except they are not.

Stug and SU-85 have pretty much the same mobility.
30 Mar 2019, 12:21 PM
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Elefant is for su-85 exactly what su-85 is for stug. More range but less mobility. If elefant was useless in team games then su-85 would have to be useless in 1v1s. Except they are not.


No

Stug is Axis counterpart for Su85

Elephant is Axis counterpart for ISU152




Yet Su85 completely dominates stug and ISU152 is far ahead from Elephant in terms of usefulness as well
30 Mar 2019, 12:24 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Mar 2019, 12:16 PMFarlon

Stug and SU-85 have pretty much the same mobility.


Maybe mobility is the wrong word. I ment that with equivalent resources, you get more tanks so it's easier to do coordinated attacks and flanks. Also, if you don't count t-70 into the cost then one su-85 might need to use spotting ability to even use its range advantage, which greatly affects mobility.



No

Stug is Axis counterpart for Su85

Elephant is Axis counterpart for ISU152




Yet Su85 completely dominates stug and ISU152 is far ahead from Elephant in terms of usefulness as well


These are not "counterparts" ever since 2014. Are you sure you are playing the current version of a game? :D

The closest axis unit to su-85 is JP-4. The closest allied unit to stug is su-76.

As for heavy armour, they are completely different. Elefant is a hard counter to armour. ISU is a counter for infantry. They have nothing in common other than range and cost.
30 Mar 2019, 12:29 PM
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they are fine
30 Mar 2019, 12:29 PM
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Stug is Axis counterpart for Su85


It isn't.
30 Mar 2019, 12:30 PM
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It isn't.



It is
30 Mar 2019, 12:38 PM
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OP definitely is a comp stomper or a 4-digit rank scrub until he provides a playercard :snfPeter:
30 Mar 2019, 12:47 PM
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Mirror balancing is bad imo.

I think StuG should remain at 50 range but compensate with better frontal armor. Currently the armor is so weak that even at vet 2 it is hard to bounce shots with the StuG even when regular mediums shoot at it.

Also the Jackson is currently at 55 range iirc.
30 Mar 2019, 13:03 PM
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If StuG III remains 50 range for its price and tech, fine. But panther is locked at ridiculously expensive T4 with a price tag of 185 fuel. It should be brought in line with other dedicated TD.


Go look up the Panther's armour, hit points and anti-infantry performance.

Then compare those to the 60 range tank destroyers.
30 Mar 2019, 13:09 PM
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Ostheer has PAK's, and 10 range difference is actually very small, only influence first shot
30 Mar 2019, 13:33 PM
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It is


And you concluded this based on the fact that is almost half as cheap? Or did you base it on the fact that it is in T3 instead of T4? Or on the fact that almost all of its stats (less HP, less penetration, less range, less DPS) are T3-ish while the SU-85's are T4?

The Stug is a T3 cheap intermediate tank destroyer that is meant to fight Allied light vehicles and does a good enough job against their mediums. Ostheer has the Panther for heavy anti-tank. Soviets have the SU-85 as the end tier heavy tank destroyer that is meant to fight mediums and heavies. The Stug is comparable to the SU-76, not the SU-85.
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