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Commander KV1 and Easy8 rework idea's

15 Mar 2019, 12:43 PM
#1
avatar of flyingpancake

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It seems to me that the KV1 and Easy8 kind of struggle to find a good in the meta.
The kv1 is too similar to a KV8 and doesn't have a flame thrower.
The Easy8 is too similar to the m4 76 with worse AT performance and a higher price.
This is why I propose to turn both tanks in to commander tanks.

KV1 command tank: same buff area as command panzer 4 (the defensive buff) limited to 1 tank per player. Other stats unchanged.
Easy8 command tank: same buff area as command panther (the same range buff) limited to 1 tank per player. Other stats unchanged.

I think these changes would make them unique and it would give the 2 factions command tanks, something witch they both don't have.
What do you guy think of the idea?
ddd
15 Mar 2019, 12:56 PM
#2
avatar of ddd

Posts: 323

No more cancerous command tanks please. Easy8 was historicaly to 75mm what comet was to cromwell, make easy8 into "comet tier" tank with reasonable price (not current comet price which is bullshit).
15 Mar 2019, 14:44 PM
#3
avatar of flyingpancake

Posts: 40

jump backJump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 12:56 PMddd
No more cancerous command tanks please. Easy8 was historicaly to 75mm what comet was to cromwell, make easy8 into "comet tier" tank with reasonable price (not current comet price which is bullshit).


I fail to see how command tanks are cancerous, they are limited to 1 per player. Also the tanks them selves are nowhere near op so again, I fail to see how they would be cancerous.The comet argument doesn't hold water in my opinion, cause with your reasoning the m4 76 is also a ''comet tier'' tank with a 76mm gun. Historical arguments are of small value in a non simulation video game.
15 Mar 2019, 15:40 PM
#4
avatar of Aarotron

Posts: 247

id rather make ez8 more accessable. issue is that its a great tank stuck in subpar commander. either it being in bit better commander or even stock unit could improve its capabilities, but i am not sure how balanceshaking making it stock would be. Id be more than happy to have atleats 1 stock tank that can take bit more damage without dying.

with kv 1, i kinda like it as well, but kv 8 does infantry killing better. Kv1 is however intended to be damagesponge like churchill. it actually has good tandem with su 85, when it sits in front of it and discourages enemy from attempting to simply dive su 85 without support
15 Mar 2019, 15:41 PM
#5
avatar of EtherealDragon

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It seems to me that the KV1 and Easy8 kind of struggle to find a good in the meta.
The kv1 is too similar to a KV8 and doesn't have a flame thrower.
The Easy8 is too similar to the m4 76 with worse AT performance and a higher price.
This is why I propose to turn both tanks in to commander tanks.

KV1 command tank: same buff area as command panzer 4 (the defensive buff) limited to 1 tank per player. Other stats unchanged.
Easy8 command tank: same buff area as command panther (the same range buff) limited to 1 tank per player. Other stats unchanged.

I think these changes would make them unique and it would give the 2 factions command tanks, something witch they both don't have.
What do you guy think of the idea?


I previously suggested turning the EZ8 into a more Comet-like tank that had better all-rounder AI performance and maybe slight cost increase to compensate and still like that idea myself. For KV1 I think if you buffed their Hull MGs to match T34 then that would be a good start - the main gun has such piss poor AI that the cost doesn't match the damage performance (even for a meat shield tank). I think the command tank idea also couldn't hurt but I would limit the aura to be player specific to limit team game cheese.
ddd
15 Mar 2019, 18:51 PM
#6
avatar of ddd

Posts: 323



I fail to see how command tanks are cancerous, they are limited to 1 per player. Also the tanks them selves are nowhere near op so again, I fail to see how they would be cancerous.The comet argument doesn't hold water in my opinion, cause with your reasoning the m4 76 is also a ''comet tier'' tank with a 76mm gun. Historical arguments are of small value in a non simulation video game.


1. Command tanks are callins and come with stupid auras or effects (p4 with magic damage reduction, panther with maphack vision).

2. I didnt say they are op, i said they are cancerous, stupid auras that have no counters and take effect by just being around are bad addition to the game IN MY OPINION, do we really need magical damage reduction like its some fantasy rpg game? Are axis commanders magicians?

3. The comet comparison is perfect since it was uparmored and upgunned version of cromwell with modifications to its suspension, JUST like easy 8 was uparmored and upgunned version of sherman with modifications to its suspension. ALSO both easy 8 and comet had similar performance and served the same role. 76mm was just a basic upgunned sherman with little to no other improvements.

4. Im not suggesting this change just because "muh historical accuracy!", its pretty obvious to anyone playing usf that both 76mm and easy8 in its current state are useless if you want to win. 75mm and jackson will provide you with much petter performance in most scenarios. Both "special" sherman variants are too similar to the standard sherman in tank to tank combat while being much worse in killing infantry. Extra protection of easy8 is very lackluster and offset by its low mobility and low dps (reload on easy8 is worse than other shermans and jackson). Extra pen on easy8 is too little since it bounces off of p4 50% of time, not to mention anything bigger, which will always force you to go jackson. USF lacks truly late game tank outside of one pershing, easy8 could be an opportunity to introduce such tank, that could be produced in numbers, to just one doctrine. That wouldnt break the game, just like comet doesnt break it.
16 Mar 2019, 08:54 AM
#7
avatar of Katitof

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jump backJump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 12:56 PMddd
No more cancerous command tanks please. Easy8 was historicaly to 75mm what comet was to cromwell, make easy8 into "comet tier" tank with reasonable price (not current comet price which is bullshit).

Considering its cost and stats, it already is like that.
Much more armor, much better gun and more health.
16 Mar 2019, 10:07 AM
#8
avatar of Aarotron

Posts: 247

auras should be munitions costing, timed abilities
16 Mar 2019, 10:32 AM
#9
avatar of Syraw

Posts: 86

Guys be resonable, both KV1 and Easy8 are good for what they do.
ddd
16 Mar 2019, 14:54 PM
#10
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2019, 08:54 AMKatitof

Considering its cost and stats, it already is like that.
Much more armor, much better gun and more health.


Yes, but when you look at OP, the problem brought up was that easy8 and 76mm are too similar. Currently 76mm is better than easy8 at fighting armor which is ridicolous. Any buffs to easy8 would make it overpowered WITH CURRENT COST, thats why i proposed to make it into "comet like" tank with appropriate cost. That would make easy8 more distinctive and give usf type of vehicle they currently lack.
19 Mar 2019, 21:40 PM
#11
avatar of distrofio

Posts: 944

Easy8 as comet tier tank would be Ok, with a cost increase. But why would you get an E8 if Jacksons already do the dirty job?
19 Mar 2019, 22:21 PM
#12
avatar of Katitof

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Easy8 as comet tier tank would be Ok, with a cost increase. But why would you get an E8 if Jacksons already do the dirty job?

Because its a generalist instead of AT specialist?
19 Mar 2019, 23:33 PM
#13
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E8 "Ace" would also be pretty interesting to see. An Allied Tiger Ace of sorts but better implemented.
20 Mar 2019, 00:30 AM
#14
avatar of distrofio

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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Mar 2019, 22:21 PMKatitof

Because its a generalist instead of AT specialist?

Why would you get a generalist then?

20 Mar 2019, 06:58 AM
#15
avatar of Katitof

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Why would you get a generalist then?


Why do you get P4 instead of stug?
20 Mar 2019, 07:00 AM
#16
avatar of Farlon

Posts: 153

jump backJump back to quoted post20 Mar 2019, 06:58 AMKatitof

Why do you get P4 instead of stug?

This isn't really comparable here because only p4 is worth using in ostheer T3 tbh
20 Mar 2019, 07:09 AM
#17
avatar of Katitof

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Ok, density of minds here is surprisingly high so I'll just shoot it straight, you'd sometimes want your tank to actually be useful against infantry as well.
20 Mar 2019, 08:31 AM
#18
avatar of The amazing Chandler

Posts: 1320

jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2019, 10:32 AMSyraw
Guys be resonable, both KV1 and Easy8 are good for what they do.


I agree!
Both have their role, its up to the player to use them right.
20 Mar 2019, 08:56 AM
#19
avatar of blancat

Posts: 347

Ez8 need more commander

dont need be "commander tank"
20 Mar 2019, 08:59 AM
#20
avatar of Bizrock

Posts: 196

I think we have different opinions, I would never build E8 over the regular Sherman. If you really need AT, you can just build Jackson. If you don't regular Sherman can do most things E8 do, and better.
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