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SECTOR ASSAULT GHOST BOMBER FAKE NEWS

28 Jan 2019, 21:25 PM
#1
avatar of LemonJuice

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pretty tired of streamers spreading false information that the sector assault ju88 will keep dropping bombs even after its shot down.


in the video u can clearly see that the bomber does not make any more runs after it is shot down after the first one.
the reason why people think "random bombs" keep dropping even after the bomber is shot down is that the bomber releases the bombs EXTREMELY early. in this case the bomber practically drops its payload as soon as it enters the edge map. what people experience is that they shoot down the bomber, but the bombs have already dropped, and due to the projectile travel time, the bombs land after the bomber is shot down creating the illusion that there is a ghost bomber.

and as many times its been reiterated, but ill explain loiter mechanics again for the people in the back.

planes have 2 phases, loiter and attack
during loiter, planes will circle the loiter area searching for a valid target. targets are acquired when they are sitting in the loiter area and u have sight of them. once the target is acquired, planes will fly off the map, and go into an attack phase where they strafe the target. WHEN THE PLANE FLIES OFF THE MAP IT WILL ALWAYS ATTACK THE TARGET IT ACQUIRED EVEN IF THE TARGET MOVES OUT OF THE LOITER ZONE OR IF YOU LOSE SIGHT OF IT. so, if the bomber acquires a target that retreats out of the zone, itll still hit your unit.
you can see the dotted line on the map so make sure you exit the area so only the first pass will hit you :)


also the UI loiter area indicator on the minimap is significantly smaller than the actual area. yellow line is the real target area vs the minimap indicator
28 Jan 2019, 21:28 PM
#2
avatar of d0ggY
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I tried to tell the world that all u need is AA and look at the ground, some just don't wanna understand ! :(
28 Jan 2019, 21:35 PM
#3
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"We can't put the Hetzer in the new commanders because Relic doesn't want to add a unit with an animation bug."

implements loitering bomber with no model
28 Jan 2019, 21:40 PM
#4
avatar of LemonJuice

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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 21:35 PMLago
"We can't put the Hetzer in the new commanders because Relic doesn't want to add a unit with an animation bug."

implements loitering bomber with no model


thanks for contributing to the discussion :)
28 Jan 2019, 21:45 PM
#5
avatar of ullumulu

Posts: 2241

More Bs is the AA performanche from sov ht
look the time it Needs to shot it down...nearly no time.
it is instant.

you will Need minumu 4-5 tanks with pinned mg to deal with planes like this…

and this is at vet0
28 Jan 2019, 21:47 PM
#6
avatar of Justin xv

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Say it louder for the Ikabs in the back!!!
28 Jan 2019, 21:48 PM
#7
avatar of Osinyagov
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 21:35 PMLago
"We can't put the Hetzer in the new commanders because Relic doesn't want to add a unit with an animation bug."

implements loitering bomber with no model

IL-2 delivers fuel instead of proper transort plane for Soviets
Ju 87 was used as frontline bomber as well, so no problem here.
28 Jan 2019, 21:51 PM
#8
avatar of Vipper

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Thanks for creating this thread to explain the mechanics.
28 Jan 2019, 21:55 PM
#9
avatar of aerafield

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I assume the rumors that it will target units outside of the circle are wrong as well? If yes, I think some people did not fully understand how loiters work and the circle just is the area where the loiter can AIM at a unit. Once the target is aim locked by the loiter, it will attack the unit no matter how far you move away from the circle after the plane has chosen this target.
28 Jan 2019, 21:58 PM
#10
avatar of LemonJuice

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I assume the rumors that it will target units outside of the circle are wrong as well? If yes, I think some people did not fully understand how loiters work and the circle just is the area where the loiter can AIM at a unit. Once the target is aim locked by the loiter, it will attack the unit no matter how far you move away from the circle after the plane has chosen this target.


yes. also it doesnt help that the minimap indicator is berry tiny compared to the real loiter area.
28 Jan 2019, 22:13 PM
#11
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Yeah, centaur and SU AA halftrack knock out all planes on the first pass. at vet 0. It should be hotfixed with the Brum nerf since it's way more op than the Brum which was only somewhat overperforming.
28 Jan 2019, 22:14 PM
#12
avatar of Sander93

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Over the last couple of weeks I've seen numerous ungrounded or wrong claims and complaints about Sector Assault.

I'll sum all the facts up:
  • The ability does not self spot.
  • The Ju87 plane that accompanies the ability is not a recon plane but an anti-infantry strafe that damages and suppresses infantry in the area.
  • The bomber can be shot down and the ability will not drop any more bombs if that happens.
  • The hotfixed bomb load can not kill any 640 HP tank in one run, and is now unlikely to wipe full health squads.
  • Once a unit is tracked the bomber can follow them around the entire map. All plane strafes do this. The bomber will not target units that are outside the radius.
  • The bomber does not randomly drop bombs. If there are no targets to be acquired, it just keeps loitering.
  • The ability will not start tracking units that are inside the enemy base sector.
28 Jan 2019, 22:17 PM
#13
avatar of LemonJuice

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Over the last couple of weeks I've seen numerous ungrounded or wrong claims and complaints about Sector Assault.

I'll sum all the facts up:
  • The ability does not self spot.
  • The Ju87 plane that accompanies the ability is not a recon plane but an anti-infantry strafe that damages and suppresses infantry in the area.
  • The bomber can be shot down and the ability will not drop any more bombs if that happens.
  • The hotfixed bomb load can not kill any 640 HP tank in one run, and is now unlikely to wipe full health squads.
  • Once a unit is tracked the bomber can follow them around the entire map. All plane strafes do this. The bomber will not target units that are outside the radius.
  • The bomber does not randomly drop bombs. If there are no targets to be acquired, it just keeps loitering.
  • The ability will not start tracking units that are inside the enemy base sector.

eh, the last one isnt true. if u drop the loiter right outside the enemy base the loiter area will leak into the base sector and the planes will target units in the sector.
28 Jan 2019, 22:17 PM
#14
avatar of Sander93

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eh, the last one isnt true. if u drop the loiter right outside the enemy base the loiter area will leak into the base sector and the planes will target units in the sector.


Go test it. It will not.
Only if units go outside the base sector and then go back in can they get tracked.


You can see it here at minute 21:21:


The Panzer IV gives sight into the UKF base spotting all the units while the plane is loitering waiting for a target. The radius is inside the base sector. Yet the bomber does not target any of the units there.

28 Jan 2019, 22:18 PM
#15
avatar of elchino7
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But here you can clearly see that the plane doesn't loiter around on the first bombing pass, and that it immediately drops the bombs from quite far away.

In fact, it's dropping the bombs from inside your base.
28 Jan 2019, 22:19 PM
#16
avatar of LemonJuice

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But here you can clearly see that the plane doesn't loiter around on the first bombing pass, and that it immediately drops the bombs from quite far away.

In fact, it's dropping the bombs from inside your base.


planes will always come into the map in attack phase
28 Jan 2019, 22:20 PM
#17
avatar of elchino7
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planes will always come into the map in attack phase


The AI plane didnt.
28 Jan 2019, 22:23 PM
#18
avatar of LemonJuice

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Go test it. It will not.

Only if units go outside the base sector and then go back in can they get tracked.

You can see it here:

https://youtu.be/XeccUBO6RJ8?t=1280


The Panzer IV gives sight into the UKF base spotting all the units, plane is loitering waiting for a target. The radius is inside the base sector. But the bomber does not target any of the units there.


my bad, just tried it out and it seems youre right.
28 Jan 2019, 22:26 PM
#19
avatar of elchino7
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Yeah, centaur and SU AA halftrack knock out all planes on the first pass. at vet 0. It should be hotfixed with the Brum nerf since it's way more op than the Brum which was only somewhat overperforming.


In fact, all dedicated AA platforms should have this performance.
28 Jan 2019, 22:27 PM
#20
avatar of LemonJuice

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The AI plane didnt.


looks like its just an ability specific quirk that the first ju87 doesnt enter the map on attack, all other loiters enter on attack phase.
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