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I think the comet tank is due for a buff.

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24 Jan 2019, 21:10 PM
#61
avatar of SuperHansFan

Posts: 327

ok let's not exaggerate, the comet does a better job on retreating squad actually cause it uses the main cannon that ignore the accuracy penalties, the panther is only comparable to the comet if the squad are in open field


It can't hit a barn door on the move now it's been nerfed, but mgs will always do reliable damage. Let's not forget axis pintles were buffed a while back
24 Jan 2019, 21:11 PM
#62
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Why do you ignore ALL the stats that make Panther better than Comet like range reload penetration HP? Comet has 5% higher chance to bounce a P4 round fine but everything else sucks compared to the Panther.
let's forget the comet can actually hit infantry with the main cannon
24 Jan 2019, 21:13 PM
#63
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It can't hit a barn door on the move now it's been nerfed, but mgs will always do reliable damage. Let's not forget axis pintles were buffed a while back
no mgs get the moving penalty too, and as i said above the projectile use scatter vs infantry that's why is better on retrating squad
24 Jan 2019, 21:19 PM
#64
avatar of SuperHansFan

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no mgs get the moving penalty too, and as i said above the projectile use scatter vs infantry that's why is better on retrating squad


I would still argue if you're chasing a sniper or 1 man inf squad with a tank with a Dskh/mg42/50.cal despite the penalty the mg damage will still kill it because of the constant DPS not tied to RNG in the move with a main gun.

The comet has some of the worst MG damage of any tank so often when the main gun misses those two or three shots on the chase you're boned. You just frustratingly follow showering him in bullets that might as well be cold tea
24 Jan 2019, 22:08 PM
#65
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I'd opt to turn it into a Panther-like vehicle. Nerf main gun AI into non-existance (WP shell ability remains), buff the gun to Panther levels penetration (~260/240/220) and buff the health to 960.

This would give people a solid choice: go defensive with the Fireflies (/Churchills) or go more offensive orientated with Comets for AT.


I think it would have a distinct enough role over the Firefly, just like the Panther has a distinct enough role over the Jagdpanzer IV.
24 Jan 2019, 23:06 PM
#66
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Panther vet worse than comet....

Ok now I have heard it all, base stat?!? You why am I invest 185 fuel for base AI worse than a panzer 4. Base AT stats of having less range and pen than panther...

WP rounds? Have you ever tried using this buggy mess of an ability? It is a mess yet bugs do not factor into your vacuum.

Mobility is nothing compared to straight up reload and armour through vet that equal winning tank engagements. Other posters have already rebutted your mobility argument which perhaps you should read. And this bad vet comparison is Vs Ost. Vs okw these issues are a lot worse.

You are buying a better cromwell, not an alternative panther and not a worse panzer 4. Just like the t34/85 is a better 76mm.compare it to what it's designed to replace not what it's facing as there lies the truest comparison for cost.
24 Jan 2019, 23:30 PM
#67
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I'd opt to turn it into a Panther-like vehicle. Nerf main gun AI into non-existance (WP shell ability remains), buff the gun to Panther levels penetration (~260/240/220) and buff the health to 960.

This would give people a solid choice: go defensive with the Fireflies (/Churchills) or go more offensive orientated with Comets for AT.


I think it would have a distinct enough role over the Firefly, just like the Panther has a distinct enough role over the Jagdpanzer IV.
so make it a better firefly and panther ?
24 Jan 2019, 23:35 PM
#68
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With the appropiate population cap, sure why not. You'd pay for it with its expensive tech and unit cost. Increase cost a bit if needed.

With bad main gun / MG AI but with the WP, the AI would be pretty much on par with the Panther's 3x MGs. So the only raw edge it would have over the Panther is a very slight armor advantage anyway.
24 Jan 2019, 23:56 PM
#69
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With the appropiate population cap, sure why not. You'd pay for it with its expensive tech and unit cost. Increase cost a bit if needed.

With bad main gun / MG AI but with the WP, the AI would be pretty much on par with the Panther's 3x MGs. So the only raw edge it would have over the Panther is a very slight armor advantage anyway.

Why should it have an edge? Panther serves a specific role in the axis lineup, why should brits be able to match it AND have TDs AND have weapon racks AND have 5 man squads AND have epic inclusive commanders and and and and? It's okw for the comet to be not as good as a panther, because it has varied and specialized support. The panther is there for fighting enemy heavily armored tanks. It's not going to be smoking out mgs for its infantry to advance, it's not going to be driving up to AT guns and dropping grenades on them or slowing advances with WP. the panther has better stats because it has nothing but it's stats to fall back on.
We HAD the comet being in par (well, actually better than..) the panther. It. Was. Cancer. It doesn't NEED to be on par with the panther. I panthers are giving you trouble use their counter. It's in the semi tier right before the comet. If the comet is giving the axis trouble and is on par with the panther they...... Call in a super heavy doctrinal unit?
Comet has not right being on par with the panther for the sake of balance.
25 Jan 2019, 00:39 AM
#70
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We HAD the comet being in par (well, actually better than..) the panther. It. Was. Cancer. It doesn't NEED to be on par with the panther. I panthers are giving you trouble use their counter. It's in the semi tier right before the comet. If the comet is giving the axis trouble and is on par with the panther they...... Call in a super heavy doctrinal unit?
Comet has not right being on par with the panther for the sake of balance.

I mean, the key point there was that it was WAY better than the panther.

The commander upgrade gave a lot more stats than it does now. Emergency warspeed could be used while engine damaged and gave way more bonuses than it does now (though so did combat blitz). The white phosphorous had 80(?) range. The white phosphorous (iirc) could kill models, unlike all other white phosphorous. It had a much higher moving accuracy. It was a crush machine with its insane turn rate, crushing and wiping any squad you forgot to micro for a few seconds. I think it had more rear armor? It had significantly less scatter than it does now. It had 50 range.

At the time, the panther had a slightly higher moving accuracy, much better vet 2 bonuses, slightly more durability (but less reliable durability), was noticeably more expensive, and had pretty busted combat blitz bonuses.

The comet was cancer because it was MUCH better than the panther, not because it was slightly better or on par.
25 Jan 2019, 00:45 AM
#71
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The Comet could do with better hull machine guns and/or could have its AOE tuned to deal more damage on the outer regions but less in the center. General tank stuff.

I think also giving the tank some reload veterancy, whether it be in exchange for something or added would be nice. Moving accuracy I'm just iffy on because it already as better than usual tank accuracy and a tank commander to boot.
25 Jan 2019, 08:04 AM
#72
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I mean, the key point there was that it was WAY better than the panther.

....

The comet was cancer because it was MUCH better than the panther, not because it was slightly better or on par.

Actually problem was the Comet was way better than the Tiger (more cost efficient if you like) while being stock and not limited to 1.

The Comet and Panther have different roles and the role of the Comet is much closer to that of the Tiger.
25 Jan 2019, 08:17 AM
#73
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the comet is a good tank...but its a allrounder..while firefly and churchhill do the most jobs better because they are specialists, while the church can deal with even panther, jp4, p4 and other stuff....because you know its a OP tank
25 Jan 2019, 10:42 AM
#74
avatar of CorMovus

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The comet just as the Churchill is supposed to be a late-game option. Going with the idea of hammer and anvil being opposite, while the Churchill is a rolling bunker and hold the own front line, the comet is supposed to be a line breaker. In AI and tactics, he has the right assets using nades and wp to disrupt team weapons and infantry, smoking the advance of the own infantry or enemy units and has a superior sight throw the tank commander. The Problem is it not reliable against axis tanks in the late game, which you find in their lines, thx to its pen.

However, if we buff its pen the comet become a late-game oriented (it can survive until the end of the battle), aggressive, good allrounder just like the Pershing and the is 2. You might say they are still better however they cost more and are limited to one.

The aspects of being a solid late-game unit, an aggressive good allrounder and spamable could create an op tank. No tank in this game shares all of these aspects and however, we decide we need to get rid of one this aspects.
25 Jan 2019, 10:47 AM
#75
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The comet just as the Churchill is supposed to be a late-game option. Going with the idea of hammer and anvil being opposite, while the Churchill is a rolling bunker and hold the own front line, the comet is supposed to be a line breaker. In AI and tactics, he has the right assets using nades and wp to disrupt team weapons and infantry, smoking the advance of the own infantry or enemy units and has a superior sight throw the tank commander. The Problem is it not reliable against axis tanks in the late game, which you find in their lines, thx to its pen.

However, if we buff its pen the comet become a late-game oriented (it can survive until the end of the battle), aggressive, good allrounder just like the Pershing and the is 2. You might say they are still better however they cost more and are limited to one.

The aspects of being a solid late-game unit, an aggressive good allrounder and spamable could create an op tank. No tank in this game shares all of these aspects and however, we decide we need to get rid of one this aspects.
the pen is good enough already buffing the reload might be better for ai too
25 Jan 2019, 15:03 PM
#76
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I mean, the key point there was that it was WAY better than the panther.

The commander upgrade gave a lot more stats than it does now. Emergency warspeed could be used while engine damaged and gave way more bonuses than it does now (though so did combat blitz). The white phosphorous had 80(?) range. The white phosphorous (iirc) could kill models, unlike all other white phosphorous. It had a much higher moving accuracy. It was a crush machine with its insane turn rate, crushing and wiping any squad you forgot to micro for a few seconds. I think it had more rear armor? It had significantly less scatter than it does now. It had 50 range.

At the time, the panther had a slightly higher moving accuracy, much better vet 2 bonuses, slightly more durability (but less reliable durability), was noticeably more expensive, and had pretty busted combat blitz bonuses.

The comet was cancer because it was MUCH better than the panther, not because it was slightly better or on par.


But it currently will beat anything below a panther with ease, and for anything above there is a firefly. A fight em all unit with great support is a poor design.
For 75 more fuel over the cromwell you get more range, WAY more armour, more health, more utility more pen...
Comparing the t34s, 45 fuel gets more pen and more health alone (well, a massive 10 armour too but it's really negligible) in that regard the unit is doing well if you consider the 50 fuel unlock to be for the gammon, war speed and tracking and the comet a bonus.
25 Jan 2019, 17:26 PM
#77
avatar of SuperHansFan

Posts: 327

I'd opt to turn it into a Panther-like vehicle. Nerf main gun AI into non-existance (WP shell ability remains), buff the gun to Panther levels penetration (~260/240/220) and buff the health to 960.

This would give people a solid choice: go defensive with the Fireflies (/Churchills) or go more offensive orientated with Comets for AT.


I think it would have a distinct enough role over the Firefly, just like the Panther has a distinct enough role over the Jagdpanzer IV.


I like this idea, allies could use a tool like this. Of course if it's priced accordingly
25 Jan 2019, 17:34 PM
#78
avatar of SuperHansFan

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You are buying a better cromwell, not an alternative panther and not a worse panzer 4. Just like the t34/85 is a better 76mm.compare it to what it's designed to replace not what it's facing as there lies the truest comparison for cost.


I think here lies the problem though, it's a more armoured Cromwell with worse vet and costs an arm and a leg in both price, popcap and tech. You have a few useful abilities but they have all seen nerfs or are still bugged (WP).

It's simply not worth the cost and scales terribly which is why pro players like Hans just build two Cromwells. If you stall you can bully a p4 with it but by the time you stall for a comet you will have zero map control and he will have a command panther or panther next to his P4 anyway.

Meanwhile with the T-34/85 it costs what a meagre 140f? No hammer unlock and often comes bundled with Mark target like guards motor. As a tank the cost to performance ratio is far superior. It's gets reload buffs through vet too
25 Jan 2019, 17:42 PM
#79
avatar of Qeit

Posts: 61

Whatever Comet can do 2 Cromwells can do better. And that's the main problem. About abilities from Hammer - don't forget that Cromwells and Fireflies also get them.
Still, instead of direct buffs to Comet for starters I would prefer if Comet became cheaper (in every aspect - MP, fuel and popcap).
25 Jan 2019, 17:44 PM
#80
avatar of Grim

Posts: 753

I think the vet for the comet needs changing before anything else, it's just awful.
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