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Are Thompson Paratroopers worth using?

11 Jan 2019, 08:37 AM
#1
avatar of Loren

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USF's Paratroopers are designed as one of the most elite infantry in the game.

This unit requires 3cp, 380 manpower, and specific commander(Airborne and Recon), need to beacon for landing zone are among the biggest requirements of this game.

However, I am skeptical about whether this unit is worth using.
Basically Paratroopers have two additional weapons at the Airborne Company; One is Thompson SMG, and the other is 1919A6 LMG.
In both cases I would like to question efficiency, but if you concentrate more, Thompson Paratroopers is really a serious problem.
They have exactly the same target size and squad size to 'Conscript' after 1veterancy.
(1v: 1.00, 2v: 1.00, 3v: 0.71)

This is a huge penalty for CQC specialist infantry.
It also compares significantly with the ppsh conscript in terms of cost-effectiveness.
Are USF Paratroopers really worth using? I think this is underpowered.

For some of these reasons I do not even remember when it was the last time I saw Paratroopers in the games of the top ranked players.

How did you guys think about this?
11 Jan 2019, 10:00 AM
#2
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i have used them on maps like Lierneux very effectivly, because of the narrow paths and ambush options.

But on all other maps, i rather go for the LMG1919A6 LMG, because as you stated, the Thompson Paras are very squishy and can die too fast that you can't come close, nor use the ability
11 Jan 2019, 11:43 AM
#3
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airborne need some target size buff
11 Jan 2019, 17:06 PM
#4
avatar of Outsider_Sidaroth

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LMGs are just better, but in Urban combat or when cutting off retreats, they can do some of the highest dps in the game.
It's a hisk risk and high reward unit with SMGs, LMGs are the safe option and really, the reason people would get them since they still can double them up.
11 Jan 2019, 18:03 PM
#5
avatar of Cresc

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Yes they absolutely are.
11 Jan 2019, 18:45 PM
#6
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Are paras worth using?
Yes.

Is Airborne worth using?
No.
11 Jan 2019, 18:50 PM
#7
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2019, 18:45 PMTobis
Are paras worth using?
Yes.

Is Airborne worth using?
No.


This sums up 70% of commanders in the game.
11 Jan 2019, 22:21 PM
#8
avatar of Baba

Posts: 216

It does indeed. I dont know why Relic is keeping those early coh 2 trashcommanders who noone uses - ever. it seems all they are interested in when making changes, is to sell the 2 pay ones :D (which kinda makes sense since they dont make any money with games sales anymore) but still.. feels bad man
11 Jan 2019, 23:13 PM
#9
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until 3CPs you already have 3-4 Riflemen. Unless the die I see no point in those guys.
You can hardly start with 2 Riflemen as USF and go to 3CP.
Therefore I do not see the point in them.
11 Jan 2019, 23:24 PM
#10
avatar of Cresc

Posts: 259

Hey now, airborn is good too, it needs some fixes(paratroopers could upgrade faster).
But paratroopers with thompsons are a great unit, imagine using them in a map like vilshanka for instance.
12 Jan 2019, 03:42 AM
#11
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2019, 18:45 PMTobis
Are paras worth using?
Yes.

Is Airborne worth using?
No.

+1

But thompson paras do scary amounts of damage if you can be smart with them. It's really one of the only reasons to use the commander lol.
12 Jan 2019, 13:05 PM
#12
avatar of gbem

Posts: 706

i think airborne is the one in need of a rework here... how about introducing a P-47 loiter strafe aswell and a new interesting ability...

P-47 air supremacy...
50 muni 1 minute shutdown of all axis air missions including the stuka divebomb... airborne troops can be reinforced from anywhere in map for a minute aswell...
12 Jan 2019, 13:26 PM
#13
avatar of SupremeStefan

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About airborne i am 4vs4 player and i really enjoy 2 early pathfinders escpecially on maps like stepes then i go captain>ambu>at gun>howtizer>mg drop>paras with thompson>major>jackson and this works pretty good but i guess this works only because rest my team make sextons or priests in lategame so i can focus on recon with my 3star pathfinders for arty or jacksons
12 Jan 2019, 14:39 PM
#14
avatar of blancat

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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2019, 18:45 PMTobis
Are paras worth using?
Yes.

Is Airborne worth using?
No.



"para"s?

USF cant hold 2 rifles+1 pathfinder until cp3

And 3~4 rifle build cant drop 1~2 airborne because there is no MP

MP dont drop from sky, u know?


Ostruppen is too weak.... -> so use 1 more squad! -> WoW, great! i didnt know that! thx!!

Every poor unit is good when use 2 than 1

ur answer is silly


poor target size -> just drain MP cost



12 Jan 2019, 21:14 PM
#15
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jan 2019, 14:39 PMblancat



"para"s?

USF cant hold 2 rifles+1 pathfinder until cp3

And 3~4 rifle build cant drop 1~2 airborne because there is no MP

MP dont drop from sky, u know?


Ostruppen is too weak.... -> so use 1 more squad! -> WoW, great! i didnt know that! thx!!

Every poor unit is good when use 2 than 1

ur answer is silly


poor target size -> just drain MP cost




3 Rifles -> LT -> 1 para works well.

Pathfinders are overrated, don't bother. Paratroopers are the best american squad in the game.
12 Jan 2019, 21:26 PM
#16
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jan 2019, 21:14 PMTobis

Paratroopers are the best american squad in the game.

Paratroopers are probably the strongest squad in the game. Can't think of any other squad that can 1v1 them if both players play it as they should.
12 Jan 2019, 22:05 PM
#17
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Paratroopers are probably the strongest squad in the game. Can't think of any other squad that can 1v1 them if both players play it as they should.


New shocks maybe, but StG obers give them a real run for their money if they utilize war crimes grenade.
12 Jan 2019, 22:11 PM
#18
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New shocks maybe, but StG obers give them a real run for their money if they utilize war crimes grenade.


I think using white phosphorus shell against human should be treated as war crimes, too.
12 Jan 2019, 22:17 PM
#19
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I think using white phosphorus shell against human should be treated as war crimes, too.


Pretty sure it is nowadays. Most european countries banned the use of fire weapons after the 2nd world war as well.
12 Jan 2019, 22:22 PM
#20
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I think LMG Paratroopers can solo any squad if you cheat and use surpresssive fire + grenade.
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