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axis blobs vs allied HMG

16 Dec 2018, 20:37 PM
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I think that axis blobs are too powerful against allied HMG because almost all axis infantry units are better at long range than allied units and have higher DPS than them, and because of that sometimes a six man crew 50 cal or maxim already set up (especially maxim) cant win again 3 vetted
squads of obersoldaten,Fallschirmjäger,panzerfulizers,grenadiers with g43. What do you think about that? AM just a noob or there is a problem with balace of these units?
sorry for bad einglish
16 Dec 2018, 20:40 PM
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Expecting an HMG to surpress 3 obers is quite far fetched for any MG unless they're grouped up. Support teams are meant to support your troops, not hold the line on their own.
16 Dec 2018, 20:42 PM
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Expecting an HMG to surpress 3 obers is quite far fetched for any MG unless they're grouped up. Support teams are meant to support your troops, not hold the line on their own.


mg34 and mg42 can do that
16 Dec 2018, 20:42 PM
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Allied mgs are more damaging than suppressive (except the Maxim who does neither) generally they burst down a model which resets the Supression and requires aim time and what not (again, except the Maxim who doesn't burst models but also doesn't deal Supression)
16 Dec 2018, 20:48 PM
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Allied mgs are more damaging than suppressive (except the Maxim who does neither) generally they burst down a model which resets the Supression and requires aim time and what not (again, except the Maxim who doesn't burst models but also doesn't deal Supression)


so what that they do more damage. Meybe they can kill more models than axis HMG but that doesn't metter if blob kills HMG
16 Dec 2018, 20:51 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2018, 20:48 PMtank4


so what that they do more damage. Meybe they can kill more models than axis HMG but that doesn't metter if blob kills HMG

I don't disagree. You don't get an MG with the intent of killing models you get it to control infantry. I agree it's problematic. But that's what we have.
16 Dec 2018, 20:54 PM
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Place a spotter squad in front of MG It will be able to suppress 3 squads without any problems
16 Dec 2018, 21:00 PM
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Place a spotter squad in front of MG It will be able to suppress 3 squads without any problems


good idea but if i dont retreat the spoter immediately (which sometimes happens) it will be killed
very fast and probably blob will still kill HMG
16 Dec 2018, 21:14 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2018, 20:42 PMtank4


mg34 and mg42 can do that


No they cannot. No MG can functionally hold 3 spaced squads charging from inside the cone at the farthest reaches of it. You'll get 2 at best.
16 Dec 2018, 21:19 PM
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No they cannot. No MG can functionally hold 3 spaced squads charging from inside the cone at the farthest reaches of it. You'll get 2 at best.

im talking about blob not 3 spaced squads
16 Dec 2018, 21:20 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2018, 21:19 PMtank4

im talking about blob not 3 spaced squads


Any MG can deal with a blob then. Don't expect MGs to survive multiple squads frontally while they're not in cover.
16 Dec 2018, 21:26 PM
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Any MG can deal with a blob then. Don't expect MGs to survive multiple squads frontally while they're not in cover.


I disagree. Maxim have no chance against blob of 3 vetted panzerfulizers or obersoldaten and 50 cal sometimes have
16 Dec 2018, 21:30 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2018, 21:26 PMtank4


I disagree. Maxim have no chance against blob of 3 vetted panzerfulizers or obersoldaten and 50 cal sometimes have

I'm quite positive Maxims do not have much of a chance against 3 osttruppen with most basic micro, that's how bad their suppression and damage currently is.
16 Dec 2018, 21:35 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2018, 21:30 PMKatitof

I'm quite positive Maxims do not have much of a chance against 3 osttruppen with most basic micro, that's how bad their suppression and damage currently is.


I think the same
17 Dec 2018, 00:34 AM
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Hmgs will always lose to 3+ squads unless you bunch then together and let them all get suppressed. IS/Penals/Rifles will all begin melting the hmg. The only thing I’d say sucks when is that the 50 cal and maxim death loop on retreat a lot.
17 Dec 2018, 01:53 AM
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Hmgs will always lose to 3+ squads unless you bunch then together and let them all get suppressed. IS/Penals/Rifles will all begin melting the hmg. The only thing I’d say sucks when is that the 50 cal and maxim death loop on retreat a lot.

+1

OP you just need to actually have infantry in front of your mg. The mg should be suppressing the infantry before they even get within small arms fire range.
17 Dec 2018, 02:15 AM
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I cant tell you how many times i've seen volks waltz up to a maxim/Vikers, toss a flame nade, and then Maxim gets death loop and vikers dies to the second squad that follows up.

Meanwhile, the MG42 AOE suppresses 20 miles away stopping an entire push if its anywhere close to being within the cone of fire.


Its a shame b/c half the time you can pull off a good flank/push with more than 1 squad but the AOE suppression of the MG42 is just so good it feels unfair at times.
17 Dec 2018, 02:46 AM
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Any MG can deal with a blob then. Don't expect MGs to survive multiple squads frontally while they're not in cover.


The maxim regularly fails at it. I don't know how the OP jumped to "all allied MGs" but the maxim still needs to be spammed to handle blobs
17 Dec 2018, 03:29 AM
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the worst HMG is USF M2 especially in late game
280 MP
suppression power?? nah..
killing power?? meh...
durable?? nope
sprint removed

atleast the maxim has 6 men crew and the vickor has wide arc and good killing power.

this bad boy need some love.
17 Dec 2018, 03:38 AM
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The maxim regularly fails at it. I don't know how the OP jumped to "all allied MGs" but the maxim still needs to be spammed to handle blobs


maybe at suppressing multiple squads spaced out, but with rapid fire it should be fairly easy to suppress squads that are standing ontop of each other. The vickers would probably be the worst here since it has a tendency to kill models and then suppress.
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