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t70 recon nerfs

21 Nov 2018, 19:39 PM
#1
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So why exactly was the t70 nerfed again ?

so T-70 vet 3 recon is OP
But vet 222. + scope is fine?
In a doctrine with a heavy hard hitting TD to boot. And if we wanted to tackle recon issues, why arent we tackling the proper offenders like Spec ops flares? why is the t70 only one that gets these nerfs?
The 95 sight was reduced to only 3-3.5 more range than a veteran 222 WITHOUT spotting scopes and no specific ability for it.With scopes it only had 4 less than a veteran t70 on recon.
21 Nov 2018, 20:20 PM
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222 + scope got nerfed a long time ago.
21 Nov 2018, 20:25 PM
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Well, I also think this is unfair.

Spotting scopes give every Axis vehicle 70 sights with 30(?) ammo, but you have to preserve your t-70 to vet 3 to get 68.5 sights.

CoH2 is always unfriendly to Allies player, at least in vehicle part. They have to spend more micros to get things working. What can we say?
21 Nov 2018, 20:26 PM
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I haven't tested it yet, but i think it was a bit too much. I mean, now it can barely see beyond the max TD range (60 - 65).

21 Nov 2018, 20:29 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Nov 2018, 20:20 PMTobis
222 + scope got nerfed a long time ago.


222 still has 35*1.3*1.4 = 63.7 line of sights at vet.2
21 Nov 2018, 20:32 PM
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222 still has 35*1.3*1.4 = 63.7 line of sights at vet.2

And the t-70 still has 68.5. What's the problem?
21 Nov 2018, 20:43 PM
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CoH2 is always unfriendly to Allies player, at least in vehicle part. They have to spend more micros to get things working. What can we say?


I'm sorry but this is just bollucks, the 95 sight range was utterly broken and if you don't want to admit that then quite frankly you are biased. The new range (68,5) is still more than vetted 222 and the spotting scopeis doctrinal so there's nothing to complain about.
21 Nov 2018, 20:54 PM
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Spotting scopes don't come stock on German vehicles as well.
21 Nov 2018, 21:07 PM
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I was actually expecting a comment about the OKW IR HT. Missed opportunity
21 Nov 2018, 21:31 PM
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I was actually expecting a comment about the OKW IR HT. Missed opportunity

It can see over sightblockers and doesnt require vet/upgrades. But it does have to sweep, alerts the enemy as to when theyve been spotted, essentially reveals its own position, can't be nearly as far up, and cant sweep while moving. I figure any such post would be shot down just as hard.
21 Nov 2018, 22:11 PM
#11
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Soviet stock reckon options:
Sniper sight 45->54 veterancy
in addition flares

m3A1 sight 50->65 veterancy

mortar flares

Zis, Su-76 tracking sight 49

SU-85 sight 75 with tracking 89

21 Nov 2018, 22:32 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Nov 2018, 22:11 PMVipper
Soviet stock reckon options:
Sniper sight 45->54 veterancy
in addition flares

m3A1 sight 50->65 veterancy

mortar flares

Zis, Su-76 tracking sight 49

SU-85 sight 75 with tracking 89



SU-85 sight 75 with tracking 89? Are you sure? Please,tell the relic to change it.

All these don't equal to just 30 ammo spotting scope, and you have 70 (35+35 from scope) line of sights for the whole game.
21 Nov 2018, 22:36 PM
#13
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One is doctrinal and the other you get just by vetting up. Also, 90+ range at vet3 was just ridiculous.
21 Nov 2018, 23:03 PM
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I was actually expecting a comment about the OKW IR HT. Missed opportunity

I was about to make one, then I've read your post and now I'm unsure...

Anyway, OKW IR HT.
22 Nov 2018, 00:34 AM
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t70 isnt a proper offender of recon abuse while being a moving 95 range spotter? Lol.
22 Nov 2018, 02:25 AM
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How are people defending 90 range spotting of any sort? It doesn't matter what it's on or how hard (or easy) it is to get, it's mechanic breaking. Just like the tracking forward sight just like the self spotting MG Bunkers just like the old 222... Information is so important in this game no single unit should have that level of power
22 Nov 2018, 03:14 AM
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Post complaining about t70 recon nerf using 222 + scopes as a comparison.

Lets break everything down for you OP.

1) 222 spotting scope got nerfed long time ago.

2) you're using incorrect stats for your argument. the difference is not 3.5 range. lol

3) spotting scopes require doctrine selection.

4) t70 is a stock soviet unit

5) t70 is a million times more lethal than a 222 so getting high vet is actually extremely easy and takes 3 ATG shots to kill.

6) You're using wrong stats to make your argument

7) close troll thread

And I wish the bug with IRHT and valentine could be fixed, but to my knowledge, unfortunately It can't so that's why I pushed for it to be banned in every major tournament and so far it has. Only so much you can do.

22 Nov 2018, 03:21 AM
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CoH2 is always unfriendly to Allies player, at least in vehicle part. They have to spend more micros to get things working. What can we say?


Not true, you're not looking at things objectively. It's been broken for a long time so it got adjusted. This was within our parameters to do since every top 2v2 player consulted was in agreement with it.

I could see how it could be hard to look at objectively considering you have 2,813 allied games and only 308 axis games. Look at things from a vacuum next time
22 Nov 2018, 06:17 AM
#19
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So why exactly was the t70 nerfed again ?

so T-70 vet 3 recon is OP
But vet 222. + scope is fine?
In a doctrine with a heavy hard hitting TD to boot. And if we wanted to tackle recon issues, why arent we tackling the proper offenders like Spec ops flares? why is the t70 only one that gets these nerfs?
The 95 sight was reduced to only 3-3.5 more range than a veteran 222 WITHOUT spotting scopes and no specific ability for it.With scopes it only had 4 less than a veteran t70 on recon.


I watched one replay from some top players, one side got a Vet 3 T-70. It turned into a major problem for the other side because it was almost like a map hack, and much better than a IRHT. Think of it this way - with the sight that it provides, everything that you have will be firing at its max range, and you'll see every opponent's attack long before it hits you.
22 Nov 2018, 06:55 AM
#20
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I'd say that T70 recon needs to be nerfed a bit. It feels a little unfair when u play having T70 with so farseeing. Maybe reducing sight range by 15% will be enough. But OKW Spec Ops flares needs to be nerfed as well. Yes, it's doctrinal, but it's uncounterable and provides even more ridiculous sight.
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