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Permanently BannedPeople arguing Puma hard counters T34 because of kiting but supported the KT nerf when the same strat could be applied :thinking:
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Lets compare a mobile turreted light tank (race car I mean) with spotting scopes? and smoke and criticals that shuts down any light play from allied side and now even mediums to slow lumbering hunk of overnerfed garbage that is Allied TD's now (especially 85 compared to others) with a case of the heaviest armor vehicle with highest HP
Ok this is epic
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I would LOVE to play against you. I bet your KT plays are A-M-A-Z-I-N-G. The unit is just so good it was never used in top play of the GCS2.
But really... if you're just going to spout BS, can you go to steam forums or something?
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Nice argument that really unbenched what I said, good job.
Very epic.
And please, I'm 100% sure we both know what kind of moderator rules over steam forums..
lumbering hunk of overnerfed garbage that is Allied TD's now (especially 85 compared to others) with a case of the heaviest armor vehicle with highest HP
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People arguing Puma hard counters T34 because of kiting but supported the KT nerf when the same strat could be applied :thinking:
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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I haven no idea what mod moderates steam forums. Probably Valve or a relic employee. My arguement was as sound as yours. a.k.a. not at all.
Like this here is just so hilariously incorrect I don't even know if you play the same game. The jackson is the most mobile stock TD of any faction; the KT holds neither the most armor or HP in the game. Again if you think this is true I can see why your opinion is so skewed. But the fact is they're not true.
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Jackson is as mobile as Panther?..
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Contrary to KT, puma never evaporated squads with one shot every second shot(outside of that one time it did cleared garrisons with vet1 ability).
Also, its armor, HP and speed are exactly as they always were.
His name starts with I and ends in E.
Jackson is as mobile as Panther? or we gonna pretend panther is a proper medium now? lmao. Not to forget panic smokes and various other buffs. And I was mainly pointing at the fact they got pop cap raped to death last patches and Jackson received some nerfs after some buffs. And yeah, I'd much rather have a jackson than 85
And please tell me what holds the most armor and HP if not KT? Last time I checked KT holds same armour values (frontally) as IS-2 and 1260 or so HP.
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He's trolling you or delusional, not worth arguing. Let it go.
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
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The puma is in the kiting role[...]
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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So I am the biased one? You do realize, that a scout car hasn't the same priority as T2?
While a scout car is nice and dandy with Flamers in it it is no must-have. That is different with T2. Without Pak 40 you are screwed against Tanks of every kind and without Flametruck/222 you will lack a lot of AI power. Not building a damn scout car hasn't even near the same effect as
not building T2
So just because I don't want to make the best fraction in game even more OP I am biased?
But OST without T2 has a lot of AT options right?
(And you know what a Zis 3 is? You don't need to go T1)
Nice strawman you got there.
Never said I wanted OST to have cheaper theching. All I did was pointing out, that a T 34 after 220 fuel would be broken as garden and that OST teching IS already More expensive than SU one.
OST: T1/10 F + BP1/40 F + T2/20 F + BP2/ 90 + T3/15 F = 175 F
SU: T1/10 F/ T2/20 F + T3/ 85 F + T4/ 90 F = 185/195 F
Don't let your tanks be without support ... you said it yourself in another thread.
Pz 4 won't have an easy game against T 34 + Penals + Cons (or Zis 3) + Mines
OST needs 10! fuel less to reach T3! Than SU needs to reach T4. So much to the *hurr durr*
"ridiculously cheaper"
OST: 175 F + 222/ 30 F + 251/ 30 F + Pz 4/ 120 F = 355 F Till Pz 4
SU: 185/195 + T70/ 70 Fuel + T34 / 90 F = 345/355 F Till T 34
So you claim again, that Pz 4 comes earlyer (assuming that you skip T 70 since you claimed, that even then Pz 4 comes earlyer) even tho I showed you 3 times already, that this is not true
"I already have T 70 on the field during a time where my enemy can't do much against him except using AT guns but i also want my first medium tank to arrive sooner, even tho he already does"
... and btw. Did you know that you can use T 70 to kill his 222/251 and capture both fuels?
Your T 34 will then comes even more earlyer than his Pz 4 + you will have T 34 + T 70 + Support
and he only Pz 4 + Support
So just because I don't want to make the best fraction in game even more OP I am biased?
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He's trolling you or delusional, not worth arguing. Let it go.
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The puma is in the kiting role, the one that shoots at tanks, so I'm not sure why the KT is being compared to the puma in terms of AI. In this comparison I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of people saying "the puma can just kite the T34 and kill it", but somehow people couldn't do that with the KT to beat them. Instead we just tripled its scatter so hits as frequently as the IS2 and removed any validity of the tank.
Churchill has more HP, JT holds the most armor. There's a new vehicle video by tightrope in trending that shows both of these. The jackson is very much as mobile as the panther.
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sov going T1 has only 1 more AT option against OST going T2... and thats running around with a scout car with PTRS penals... meanwhile ost has tellers...
your argument is self contradictory... and since u did it without a T2 skip it proves that OST teching is cheaper...
this is a given... but the P4 has an advantage provided the T-34 doesnt ram and satchel...
proves my point... ost teching is cheaper... youre contradicting yourself
dont get me started on a t1-t2 build...
lets imply a T2 skip/scout car skip for both sides... absolutely no vehicles fielded till p4/T-34 since both T1s moderately helpless against them...
OST to P4 = T1 (10 fuel) + BP1 (40 fuel) + BP2 (90 fuel) + T3 (15 fuel) + Panzer 4 (125 fuel)=280 fuel
unless either of us are doing calculation mistakes
(10 fuel) / T2 (20 fuel) T3 (85 fuel) + T4 (90 fuel) = 275/280 fuel
Panzer 4 (125 fuel)
it means the T-34 and P4 come at the exact same time correct?
... what i find most peculiar is the fact that a 90 fuel tank comes at the same time as a 120 fuel tank
and stop claiming the T34 comes later
that should have been your argument... to try to show me how it would break the game
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
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And one more time: No one will ever skip T2. In GSC2 it was done exactly 0 times
10/10 would report for trolling again
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And soviets don't have mines? And btw. what do you mean OST going T2? Nearly no OST player will ever Skip T2 ...
How so? You do realize that Ost got a T4? So after they spend 175 F till T3 they still need to spend fuel on T4.
Ignoring T4 again aren't we? And btw. your point was that even if SU skips T 70 the T 34 comes after Pz 4. Which isn't true.
Please don't tell me that you use your first T 34 on full health to ram Pz 4s ...
Why? You were the one claiming that SU needs to go T1+T2 because of smoke support ...
But OST without T2 has a lot of AT options right?
(And you know what a Zis 3 is? You don't need to go T1)
*120
*Let's set up a totally imaginary situation which will never happen like that
So OST skips T2? What if the SU player decided to roll a T 70 out?
In a imaginary situation which will never happen like that. Yes.
It doesn't
Never did anyways
You need 10 fuel more to reach T4 as SU than OST needs to reach T3. But on the other hand you can push T 34 out earlier due higher price of Pz 4.
And one more time: No one will ever skip T2. In GSC2 it was done exactly 0 times
So I shall show you how a a T 34 after 220 fuel would break the game?
10/10 would report for trolling again
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Then quit replying to him.
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T2 skip happens sometimes, when somebody goes for a puma. Happened quite a few times in GCS. Puma costs double the fuel of just going t2, so slows the p4 rush down even more.
No Ostheer player will ever skip t2 and the puma unless they are just annihilating the opponent. Leaves you with literally no AT power besides the faust and mines.
Then quit replying to him.
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
Posts: 1979
I just wanted to prevent other (new) players from falling for his ... not so nice ... proposals
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