Impact of smoke on AT grenades

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The Cromwell and comet smoke shells are better than the Sherman ones on escape... just point click and smoke shell goes there and it takes only about 1-2 seconds. The Sherman shells are lobbed to position and you often get shot at another time before they land and you can reverse through it. Unsure why Lago thinks UKF smoke shells are THAT bad.

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15 Aug 2018, 15:51 PMmr.matrix300

Aren't Sherman and Valentine ones fireable on the move? (and Cromwells ones too?)

After some testing I can confirm they are: they'll cancel the vehicle's current command but if you issue a further command they'll still fire.

They're not as good as Panzer Tactician as an escape tool because they require aiming and take time to fire (five seconds for Sherman smoke, traverse time + three seconds for Cromwell smoke). Panzer Tactician fires as fast as you can hit the hotkey.

Unsure why Lago thinks UKF smoke shells are THAT bad.

I previously thought the tank had to stop to fire like Attack Ground. Having discovered they work on the same rules as the Sherman I think they're pretty neat now and I'll definitely use them more.

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15 Aug 2018, 15:51 PMmr.matrix300

Aren't Sherman and Valentine ones fireable on the move? (and Cromwells ones too?)

That doesn't negate the fact that they take several seconds to land compared to the near instantaneous panzer tactician or aec/churchill smoke. They have different uses and are not really comparable; it's like trying to compare the scott and stug E, it just doesn't make much sense because they're too different despite having certain similarities.

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15 Aug 2018, 17:31 PMLoopDloop

They have different uses and are not really comparable; it's like trying to compare the scott and stug E

But just like the Stug E and Scott can both be used for indirect fire the smoke shells can also be used as an escape tool, while also beeing an effective counter to Snares(which has nothing to do with the smoke itself but with the LoS system as Lago exaplained).

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

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2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:11 AMCODGUY

I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

29 Jun 2020, 19:21 PMIncendiaryRounds

u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.

12 Aug 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus

Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

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16 Aug 2018, 16:19 PMmr.matrix300

But just like the Stug E and Scott can both be used for indirect fire the smoke shells can also be used as an escape tool, while also beeing an effective counter to Snares(which has nothing to do with the smoke itself but with the LoS system as Lago exaplained).

I understand that, but it takes longer and requires more input (only marginally so, but that definitely makes the difference). I'm not saying they're bad, they just have different uses. I challenge you to actually find a replay of non panzer tactician type smoke used effectively to counter snares. Either he's far away enough that you just reverse, or he's so close that it doesn't matter.

As Lago also explained, "They're not as good as Panzer Tactician as an escape tool because they require aiming and take time to fire (five seconds for Sherman smoke, traverse time + three seconds for Cromwell smoke). Panzer Tactician fires as fast as you can hit the hotkey." (Lago's words).