IS2 can deflect pfausts from the front. It's easy to miss since it just shows up as damage. But you give the armour and penetration values which clearly shows it should fail plenty (if these values are right)
If you really want to see an example watch apfelsaft vs nortwestfresh G1 when he has the is2 in the left vp
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16 Sep 2013, 09:27 AM
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16 Sep 2013, 09:34 AM
#42
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No I did not notice "wrong", because I called the IS2 in about 10-15 games since the last patch and it always got engine damage from panzerfaust even when shot from the front. I think your comment shows you have little experience with the unit.
you must have horrible luck then because the chances of that happening 10 times is .02%. 15 times in a row has a .0003% chance. there is obviously a much greater chance that you just arent noticing the failed fausts.
16 Sep 2013, 09:34 AM
#43
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IS2 can deflect pfausts from the front. It's easy to miss since it just shows up as damage. But you give the armour and penetration values which clearly shows it should fail plenty (if these values are right)
It should deflect, and I am pretty sure the figures are correct. That's why I find it surprising how often the panzerfaust penetrates the IS2 front armor.
If you really want to see an example watch apfelsaft vs nortwestfresh G1 when he has the is2 in the left vp
where do I find this?
16 Sep 2013, 09:42 AM
#44
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you must have horrible luck then because the chances of that happening 10 times is .02%. 15 times in a row has a .0003% chance. there is obviously a much greater chance that you just arent noticing the failed fausts.
Could be, and that is why I was hopping to get feedback from people who use this unit to see if they face the same issue.
Two things to note though, unlike the AT grande the panzerfaust is very noticeable because it makes a loud sound and leaves a trail of smoke so its not easy to miss it. The other thing I noticed is that am not able to move the IS2 around the battlefield as freely as I do with the tiger because I get engine damage more easily with the IS2.
16 Sep 2013, 09:57 AM
#45
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Permanently BannedI think your comment shows you have little experience with the unit.
And yours that you don't know the actual stats for penetration chance on Fausts.
You tried to "claim" Faust can never never deflect on IS2 frontal.
That was a categorically false statement.
16 Sep 2013, 10:08 AM
#46
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And yours that you don't know the actual stats for penetration chance on Fausts.
You tried to "claim" Faust can never never deflect on IS2 frontal.
That was a categorically false statement.
False, I did not claim that, I said that "I noticed":
Speaking of panzerfaust, I noticed it always causes engine damage to the IS2, even when fired at the front armor. Panzerfaust has 140 penetration and the IS2 has 325 front armor, therefore shouldn't the panzerfaust fail to penetrate at least half the time if not more?
In fact my comments clearly show that I expect panzerfaust to deflect on IS2, but never seen it do that and that's where I was asking for comments from people who used this unit.
16 Sep 2013, 10:11 AM
#47
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Permanently BannedThen whats your point.
Its working fine.
If you havent seen it happen under the circumstances you claim, its either because you haven't been looking, are exaggerating, or due to an incredibly unlikely (nigh zero probability) run of 10-15 times in sequence having only a chance of 0.02% to 0.0003%.
I think its fairly clear which is the least likely of these occurrences.
Its working fine.
If you havent seen it happen under the circumstances you claim, its either because you haven't been looking, are exaggerating, or due to an incredibly unlikely (nigh zero probability) run of 10-15 times in sequence having only a chance of 0.02% to 0.0003%.
I think its fairly clear which is the least likely of these occurrences.
16 Sep 2013, 10:17 AM
#48
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Then whats your point.
I think YOU should answer this, because (as evident by your posts) you are the one commenting with no experience using this unit.
16 Sep 2013, 10:42 AM
#49
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Permanently BannedMy point is that either of the following is the case:
A) You didn't look.
B) You are exaggerating.
C) By some astronomical chance, you actually experienced 10-15 sequential Faust penetrations, at a probability of 0.2%-0.0003%.
Up to you, which one it is.
A) You didn't look.
B) You are exaggerating.
C) By some astronomical chance, you actually experienced 10-15 sequential Faust penetrations, at a probability of 0.2%-0.0003%.
Up to you, which one it is.
16 Sep 2013, 10:47 AM
#50
Posts: 896
My point is that either of the following is the case:
A) You didn't look.
B) You are exaggerating.
C) By some astronomical chance, you actually experienced 10-15 sequential Faust penetrations, at a probability of 0.2%-0.0003%.
Up to you, which one it is.
D) You need to start using this unit before commenting
16 Sep 2013, 10:54 AM
#51
Posts: 170
I have used the unit plenty post patch. I have had it deflect panzerfaust from the from (and a few times from the rear) several times. I've also fought is-2s and had my panzerfaust deflect off.
There isn't some special modifier fir panzerfausts specifically against any other target; there aren't any target tables in the game period.
There isn't some special modifier fir panzerfausts specifically against any other target; there aren't any target tables in the game period.
16 Sep 2013, 12:57 PM
#52
Posts: 2425
Permanently BannedOk Abdul.
I guess IS2 needs a buff so that there is not a 0.2-0.0003% chance of 10-15 sequential Faust penetrations.
Yeah, you are totally right.
Maybe if I use the unit more, I will realise that.
I guess IS2 needs a buff so that there is not a 0.2-0.0003% chance of 10-15 sequential Faust penetrations.
Yeah, you are totally right.
Maybe if I use the unit more, I will realise that.
16 Sep 2013, 12:59 PM
#53
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It should deflect, and I am pretty sure the figures are correct. That's why I find it surprising how often the panzerfaust penetrates the IS2 front armor.
where do I find this?
Sry I might have the replay mixed up cant find it again. But nullist is right.
16 Sep 2013, 13:05 PM
#54
Posts: 896
Ok Abdul.
I guess IS2 needs a buff so that there is not a 0.2-0.0003% chance of 10-15 sequential Faust penetrations.
Yeah, you are totally right.
Maybe if I use the unit more, I will realise that.
that was uncalled for, because no one mentioned buffing the IS2
16 Sep 2013, 13:06 PM
#55
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Sry I might have the replay mixed up cant find it again.
np
But nullist is right.
about what, the IS2 needing a buff, lol?
16 Sep 2013, 13:43 PM
#56
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that was uncalled for, because no one mentioned buffing the IS2
What was uncalled for, was claiming that my not having used the unit has any bearing on its actual performance vs Fausts.
No matter if Ive fielded IS2s 1 million times, or 0 times, the Fausts deflection chance is no different.
Whether you simply didnt see them, exaggerated them, or witnessed an astronomical fluke, the probability remains at 0.2-0.0003% probability for 10-15 sequential penetrations.
16 Sep 2013, 13:48 PM
#57
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...so, has anyone found a good way to work the IS-2 into their game? I haven't had a chance to use one (like, ever, actually. Maybe once in the beta)
16 Sep 2013, 13:54 PM
#58
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I manage to field it quite often utilizing T2-T3 based stratergy. Just get 3 cons, mortar, Shock. I aim to get to T3, get a couple of T34's and use ATG for my main AT weapon. Mines everywhere. Early triage healing is generally useful.
OP fuel when you can and slowly work your way to get into the late game. Works just fine for me.
OP fuel when you can and slowly work your way to get into the late game. Works just fine for me.
16 Sep 2013, 14:01 PM
#59
Posts: 525
Fielded one once since patch,yesterday more exactly...but when my opponent saw it,he just quit,wtf??
I didn't expect it to be such a psychological factor
I didn't expect it to be such a psychological factor
16 Sep 2013, 14:16 PM
#60
Posts: 896
What was uncalled for, was claiming that my not having used the unit has any bearing on its actual performance vs Fausts.
No matter if Ive fielded IS2s 1 million times, or 0 times, the Fausts deflection chance is no different.
Whether you simply didnt see them, exaggerated them, or witnessed an astronomical fluke, the probability remains at 0.2-0.0003% probability for 10-15 sequential penetrations.
Actually that is very "called for" because as your comments indicate, you don't use the unit. Reading stats of some source is not the same.
As for why your comment is "uncalled for", its because no body brought up that issue except you, and you did so to ARGUE.
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