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Battlefield 2018 - WW2

23 Feb 2018, 13:29 PM
#21
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I cannnot remember Europe numbers, only in France 20 000 womans was scalded nilos, coz have relationships with germans, sexual or another to get better life.
If word so like this feminism, why dont make it in game like Valiant hearts or make game about medicine of WW2. Or somthing like about Pavlichenko sniper. Why need stupid things like this. Its like find blacks at Bohemia in 15 century NotLikeThis.
23 Feb 2018, 13:36 PM
#22
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There are some female sovet snipers in COH2 because there were some female Soviet snipers in WW2. ---> No one complains.

Dice makes 20% of German army in WW1 black ---> People complain

Surprise?

I think not.

But yes I am backward because I want some semblance of autenticity in games.



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23 Feb 2018, 14:01 PM
#23
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As much as I love BF, they gotta slow it down. The acceleration/running speed is way too fast, that coupled with no stamina and large amounts of health - the game feels pretty quake-y. You dont have to worry about running across the the street when you know there are 10 mgs watching the road.

Although i must say I am enjoying Incursions very much. Feels alot less chaotic. Still very quaky and unrealistic, but alright if you think of it as a wacky moba. I think thats the best you can expect from BF; I don't know wtf people are talking about immersion. There is zero immersion in BF as far as gameplay goes.
23 Feb 2018, 17:33 PM
#24
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Black female Wehrmacht soldiers. You kidding me?


At very least CoD gave players option to pick their character. They didnt force you to play male\female, black or white. It was up to player.

Now look at BF1, where Dice FORCED you to play as Black german sniper or where British army has only 1 actually british soldier as Support.

I'm not protecting CoD, but at least in CoD it was a customisation part more then tolerance propaganda, while in BF1 its clear tolerance agenda aswell as re-writing history (yes, video games are not the best place to learn history but still it would have influence on some ppl) because british army has like 90% actuall british soldiers in europe, aswell as German didnt have blacks in europe and aswell Russians didnt have army of wemens.

But hey, I woudnt be surpriced if we would have Blacks as SS soldiers, during battle for the moscow, where both germans are russians would use Sherman tanks and thompsons.

P.S. there was blacks during WW2 in German army, so thats why we would most likely see them, le lol



There are some female sovet snipers in COH2 because there were some female Soviet snipers in WW2. ---> No one complains.


There are MALE and FEMALE snipers and tank crews. Feel the difference. If Dice gave us optiotion to pick Black or white german sniper aswell as british, there would be only like few ppl who would complain.
23 Feb 2018, 18:26 PM
#25
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Like a year ago I said the PC in videogames wasn't really that bad. In BF1 it some of the stuff was questionable but I didn't think it really went far enough to cross the red line of being unacceptable. Then CODWW2 came and we have women fighting which is pretty lol. Yeah there were women in the resistance and Soviet army, but black female Nazis and women US paratroopers? No.

I know theres the white knight class that are going to be like dude why you so concerned about the gender or ethnicity of a character in a videogame? Well it all depends on the context. Plenty of diversity in RB6 Siege, nobody cares. Hell its not even a matter of immersion, having 50% women spec ops operators isn't an accurate representation of reality but its sort of a fictitious game. Its about rewriting history to promote their radical agenda. Uh sorry but we aren't going to give your Hispanic great grandmother credit for storming the beaches at Normandy, because it didn't fucking happen. Having misplaced token characters in a historical game is like asking for a veterans discount when you never served.

Not saying I won't buy the game, if its really good gameplay I will. But its certainly going to be a sketchy G2A key because fuck Dice and their profits if this game goes that direction.

edit: Then again if Post Scriptum and Hell Let Loose live up to all the hype I may just skip a PC BFWW2 if those other games are good enough to fill that combined arms WW2 void.
23 Feb 2018, 18:43 PM
#26
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At very least CoD gave players option to pick their character. They didnt force you to play male\female, black or white. It was up to player.

Now look at BF1, where Dice FORCED you to play as Black german sniper or where British army has only 1 actually british soldier as Support.

I'm not protecting CoD, but at least in CoD it was a customisation part more then tolerance propaganda, while in BF1 its clear tolerance agenda aswell as re-writing history (yes, video games are not the best place to learn history but still it would have influence on some ppl) because british army has like 90% actuall british soldiers in europe, aswell as German didnt have blacks in europe and aswell Russians didnt have army of wemens.

But hey, I woudnt be surpriced if we would have Blacks as SS soldiers, during battle for the moscow, where both germans are russians would use Sherman tanks and thompsons.

P.S. there was blacks during WW2 in German army, so thats why we would most likely see them, le lol


I know there were blacks in the Wehrmacht, even the SS had Islamic divisions. The German army of ww2 was anything but the racist thing it is made out to be.

But still, the black female wehrmacht soldier just goes too far man. It would be the same as making another WW2 campaign about the 101st and having a female brigade running around purely for the social righteousness'

23 Feb 2018, 19:21 PM
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I know there were blacks in the Wehrmacht, even the SS had Islamic divisions. The German army of ww2 was anything but the racist thing it is made out to be.

But still, the black female wehrmacht soldier just goes too far man. It would be the same as making another WW2 campaign about the 101st and having a female brigade running around purely for the social righteousness'



Well you have a point, but from my point of view having black female werhmacht soldier is so ridiculous that, you would rather see it more like a kinda of joke or just you know silly thing.

I dont know, tbh, because as I said, its optional. I mean, alright why we have soviets fighting along side americans, or why there are soldiers running in winter camo in CoD and so on. CoD was never possitioning itself and an immersive and historically accurate game. Even campain has like only 1 sub-main character who black and it was shown that rascism was a normal thing at this time period, but they fought together and bla bla bla. Well at least this makes kinda sence.

And in the end, as I said its optional, sure it would break the immersion, but NOONE forcing you to play as black female, that they key point. You are given the option here.

While BF has completly different story. They made the most popular role (snipairs) to represent minorities for german\british army its blacks, for russians army its women. And its not optional, you forced to accept it and play as them AND they are the most popular role AND only scouts (aka snipers) has iconic weapons and only they can somehow give you ww1 feeling running around with bolt-action rifle.
23 Feb 2018, 19:54 PM
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That is because people don't like Political Correctness to also be jammed down their throats in leisure time when playing video games. Just look at COD ww2. Black female Wehrmacht soldiers. You kidding me?

This has everything to do with current society based pressures and social justice warrior constructs. They weren't in games 5 years ago? New wave of feminism black live matters is in full swing. Heck even the person that thought up and made Friends a tv series was sued because there were no primary black personalities in that show.

Now here comes the sad part about these things. I now have to emphasize: I do not mean this post to be racist or sexist in any way, this is just my opinion.

Otherwise this will get stoned to death by social justice warrior ponies and feminists LUL.

And I fully understand why it sets people off, because it is ridiculous now with the level of pandering to any minority that goes on.

However, the point I was trying to make is that people here can be so quick to judge something and will discard an entire game, which they know nothing about (and what they do is based on rumours and potentially false information), simply because they take offence at the first sign of any "pandering". It really blows my mind how closed down to anything slightly new and threatening some people are, when in the end, it doesn't really matter. If they want to talk about correct representation, start a youtube channel where you can vent at 5 subscribers.
23 Feb 2018, 20:33 PM
#29
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Feb 2018, 19:54 PMSwift
However, the point I was trying to make is that people here can be so quick to judge something and will discard an entire game, which they know nothing about (and what they do is based on rumours and potentially false information), simply because they take offence at the first sign of any "pandering".

Well its not that far fetched that Dice is going to do this, its a likely possibility not some whacky conspiracy theory. They had some PC fiction in the last game, they got one upped by Call of Duty, and now there are credible leaks suggesting they want to take back the SJW developer trophy. If the leak was "BFWW2 to feature women characters" there aren't any red flags there, because there was a decent amount of women in the French resistance and Soviet army. But be honest, leaked concept art being 2/3 women...not looking good. Granted we haven't seen any pictures of female native American naval admirals yet, but even to suggest that women were the majority of the resistance is some pretty radical feminist stuff.

If this is accurate material, and there is a really good chance that it is, backlash may get Dice to change some stuff up. I'd much rather see the internet tear Dice a new asshole over credible rumors, than this whole radio silence routine because we "don't know." I don't want to end up with the Pride Platoon and the all female SAS squad in a WW2 game because nobody protested.

It really blows my mind how closed down to anything slightly new and threatening some people are

No this isn't about being closed minded to something "new." We aren't talking about bitcoin and VR porn, this is about telling outright lies. Promoting falsehoods is a "progressive" value, not a liberal one.

when in the end, it doesn't really matter.

It actually does matter because this isn't just about immersion in a videogame, its about brainwashing the ignorant to recreate history. This doesn't just apply to games, but that is included.
23 Feb 2018, 20:33 PM
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Its about rewriting history to promote their radical agenda.



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23 Feb 2018, 23:50 PM
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I get point, I'm more talking about how ridiculous it is that people can be turned off a game after five seconds of looking at potential concept art. I'm not really too bothered to stick my nose into the PC/egalitarian debate atm, I don't really care enough to argue either way.
24 Feb 2018, 02:13 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Feb 2018, 10:28 AMSwift
Two women are the first anyone sees of this game and already we have people saying they won't buy it.

Fucking hell this is one backward community sometimes.


No one care about the women, it's about the history deformation. Soon there will be only black and female in battlefield games..
Can't wait to see more of these black nazi women soldier we already have in call of peasant. Women and black were an extreme minority in these war, if for once their game wasn't completely denying history, there wouldnt be so much whiner.
24 Feb 2018, 02:18 AM
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By the way, I wonder why they don't also start denying jew slaughter by nazi? If they can make a game with black and women when there were none, what does prevent them to go even further and deny even more historical facts. After all, we are just too much backward.. Isn't it?
24 Feb 2018, 06:14 AM
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ww2 topic got abandoned for almost a decade, now they spam them into infinity. oh pls.

before bf1 even got announced i was looking forward to a next gen ww2 game, but after seing all the diversity trash in it.. ew. i guess i have to stick to pudding early access ww2 games then :sibToxic:
24 Feb 2018, 08:29 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Feb 2018, 19:54 PMSwift



I understand your point! Yet I don't find it threatening, rather disgusting that people try to alter the truth. This goes far beyond the principal and issue we are discussing. If you delve deeper into the true reasons behind ww2, you will find these developments in games and society even more disgusting and painful.
24 Feb 2018, 08:31 AM
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By the way, I wonder why they don't also start denying jew slaughter by nazi? If they can make a game with black and women when there were none, what does prevent them to go even further and deny even more historical facts. After all, we are just too much backward.. Isn't it?


They reverse did happen, it was called the Weimar Republic.
24 Feb 2018, 19:51 PM
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25 Feb 2018, 12:47 PM
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27 Feb 2018, 11:47 AM
#39
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Dice are rasist, why womans and blacks, why not trans and asian ?
1 Mar 2018, 19:58 PM
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Now confirmed;

Battlefield V follows Call of Duty back to World War II this year (updated)
https://venturebeat.com/2018/03/01/new-battlefield-2-follows-call-of-duty-back-to-world-war-ii-this-year/

Just like World War I got a sequel, Battlefield 1 is getting a followup later this year. The game is Battlefield V. It was previously known as Battlefield 2 internally at EA. Battlefield V will return the series to World War II in a main entry for the first time since 2009’s Battlefield 1943, GamesBeat has learned from sources familiar with EA’s plans. These sources wish to remain anonymous.

Battlefield I is a huge success for EA. It sold faster than Battlefield 4, and it has surpassed 25 million players as of December. Fans were excited to return to a historical setting after years of modern military shooters from both Battlefield and competitors such as Call of Duty. Publisher Activision also showed that the appetite for the second World War is still high with its release of Call of Duty: WWII last year. That is the best-selling Call of Duty since the franchise peaked with Black Ops II in 2012.

This is an entirely new Battlefield game and not a remaster of the 2005 Battlefield 2. EA will reveal it soon, and it will launch it before the end of this calendar year.

EA and Battlefield developer DICE decided on this strategy several years ago. They knew they wanted to get away from the modern and near-future settings for a while, but it also didn’t want to burn the WWII setting right away. This led the studio to start with WWI knowing that it could always still go to WWII with the next game if Battlefield 1 didn’t work out. Of course, that wasn’t the case — Battlefield I finished 2016 as the No. 2 best-selling game in the United States, according to the industry-tracking firm The NPD Group.

While EA is going with World War II, some fans may remember a recent rumor from December that DICE is working on Battlefield: Bad Company 3 that takes place around the Vietnam War. That rumor isn’t accurate. If EA is considering a sequel to its console-focused Bad Company spinoff series, it likely won’t happen soon. That said, DICE is listening to fans of Bad Company, and it is keeping a potential sequel in its back pocket in case it needs to make another strategic shift in the future.

After all, I’m not sure a new Battlefield 3 set during World War III would make sense.
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