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9 Dec 2017, 14:12 PM
#1301
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Its a 145 fuel tank and it is tied to Soviet tier 4. What tier are you supposed to link it with
soviet tier 4 is ost tier 3 and brit tier 3
9 Dec 2017, 14:13 PM
#1302
avatar of Dangerous-Cloth

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the rush , is fair so the oppnent can at least get a counter in time


We all know of the rush. But more than double the build time? Come on, that is insane. 40 to 60 seconds would be more reasonable.
9 Dec 2017, 14:19 PM
#1303
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soviet tier 4 is ost tier 3 and brit tier 3


what are the costs of teching to Soviet tier 4 and OST tier 4?
9 Dec 2017, 14:25 PM
#1304
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Get your facts staight. You said that Churchill is T4 while KV1 is not.

Now time for funny fact:
You need 660 MP + 195 fuel to unlock Churchill
You need 640 MP + 195 fuel to unlock KV1

Funny like fuel cost for Churchill and KV1 is excatly the same, aye?

Wanna more?
Ostheer T4 (afaik) costs 720 MP + 140 fuel
140 rushing you mean right ? its 215 skiping tier 1 for ost (90 + 25 + 25 +15 + 40 +20)
and if im not wrong soviet start with more fuel and if they get all the tier brits still pay more with aec or bof
9 Dec 2017, 14:40 PM
#1305
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140 rushing you mean right ? its 215 skiping tier 1 for ost (90 + 25 + 25 +15 + 40 +20)
and if im not wrong soviet start with more fuel and if they get all the tier brits still pay more with aec or bof


Wut? Stop diging. Your grave is already deep enough.

OST:
T1 - 80 + 10
T2 - 200 + 20
T3 - 240 + 60
T4 - 200 + 50
Sum - 720 + 140
Where the hell you counted 215?

Starting fuel for OST and SU is excatly the same - 20 and if Soviets go for T70 or SU76 they also pay more... Lel. Brilliant argument.

Firstly you say tht Churchill is tied to tech, while KV1.
Then you say that even then it's not the same becasue SU tech is cheaper.
Then you bring lel argument that if Brits go for AEC it's more expensvie.

:luvDerp::luvDerp::luvDerp:
9 Dec 2017, 14:47 PM
#1306
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Wut? Stop diging. Your grave is already deep enough.

OST:
T1 - 80 + 10
T2 - 200 + 20
T3 - 240 + 60
T4 - 200 + 50
Sum - 720 + 140
Where the hell you counted 215?

Starting fuel for OST and SU is excatly the same - 20 and if Soviets go for T70 or SU76 they also pay more... Lel. Brilliant argument.

Firstly you say tht Churchill is tied to tech, while KV1.
Then you say that even then it's not the same becasue SU tech is cheaper.
Then you bring lel argument that if Brits go for AEC it's more expensive.

:luvDerp::luvDerp::luvDerp:
dude the battle phases ? and i meant about soviet and brits staring fuel not ost i know they are the same, second the churchil is still more expensive third brits like ost is a late game faction soviet is not
9 Dec 2017, 14:49 PM
#1307
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dude the battle phases ?


Lel - I knew that 140 seemed a bit too cheap :foreveralone:

Your point.

Still doesn't change the fact that KV1 costs more or less excatly the same as Churchill, tied to tech as well but way weaker.
9 Dec 2017, 14:54 PM
#1308
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Lel - I knew that 140 seemed a bit too cheap :foreveralone:

Your point.

Still doesn't change the fact that KV1 costs more or less excatly the same as Churchill, tied to tech as well but way weaker.
lol dude how much have you not played ost ? to forget about the BP they are there from COH 1
here the stats for kv1 and church
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=churchill_default_squad_mp
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=kv-1_commander_mp
the 15 fuel differnce is fair for less pop less mp less target sive more armor and more speed
it could use a pen buff (its 100 for some reason)
9 Dec 2017, 15:01 PM
#1309
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For 15 more fuel Churchill gets 1400 HP, support abilities, plus it's a non-doc and has better gun and MG.

On the other hand KV1 has better armor (240 - 270 is rather irrelevant difference), speed which also irrelevant for a damage sponge unit - it's not like you will flank anything with 5.1.

There is not a single point why KV1 should be way worse damage sponge than Churchill if they are priced almost excatly the same in terms of tech and unit itself.
9 Dec 2017, 15:09 PM
#1310
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For 15 more fuel Churchill gets 1400 HP, support abilities, plus it's a non-doc and has better gun and MG.

On the other hand KV1 has better armor (240 - 270 is rather irrelevant difference), speed which also irrelevant for a damage sponge unit - it's not like you will flank anything with 5.1.

There is not a single point why KV1 should be way worse damage sponge than Churchill if they are priced almost excatly the same in terms of tech and unit itself.
spedd is revelant while running away , church has smoke cause they dont have a mobile mortar to give them , 30 armor is a lot (ex. ost p4 cost 25 less than okw p4 for 50 armor that can be gain back at vet 2, and okw has a bit worse stats too) and they get 0.8 damage modifier ,alvin locks you out of comet and the gun is almost the same (see stats i linked)
9 Dec 2017, 15:14 PM
#1311
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Is anyone going to explain why the P2 deserves an 85 second build time where as all other light vehicles and light tanks float around 40 to 45.

For the record the king tiger has a build time of 90 seconds, its pritty ridiculous that a p2, which has very similar rush times vs say a Stuart or AEC (which cost about the same IIRC) should have the same build time as a King Tiger.
9 Dec 2017, 15:14 PM
#1312
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spedd is revelant while running away , church has smoke cause they dont have a mobile mortar to give them , 30 armor is a lot (ex. ost p4 cost 25 less than okw p4 for 50 armor that can be gain back at vet 2, and okw has a bit worse stats too) and they get 0.8 damage modifier ,alvin locks you out of comet and the gun is almost the same (see stats i linked)


4.0 and 5.1 is almost nothing. Still 1.1 less speed is irrelevant if you can eat 9 shots (KV1 - 7).
Sherman also has smoke even tho USF have mobile mortar so...
30 armor is nothing. It translates into 79% or 70% chances to penetrate vs Pak40.
Anvil locks you out of Comet. KV1 locks you out of T34/85, ISU, IS2, KV2, KV8... :foreveralone:
9 Dec 2017, 16:08 PM
#1313
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4.0 and 5.1 is almost nothing. Still 1.1 less speed is irrelevant if you can eat 9 shots (KV1 - 7).
Sherman also has smoke even tho USF have mobile mortar so...
30 armor is nothing. It translates into 79% or 70% chances to penetrate vs Pak40.
Anvil locks you out of Comet. KV1 locks you out of T34/85, ISU, IS2, KV2, KV8... :foreveralone:


• 21% speed isn't nothing.
• 9% lower chance to hit from Pak40 isn't much, but that armor is more efficient against Panzer 4.
• Smoke is trash, it slows the unit and the smoke itself isn't even as big as USF canisters, the churchill takes some time to crawl into the smoke backwards. Churchill is a big and slow tank, it gets even slower in smoke and many players already know about attack ground option. You are better off not using smoke while retreating.
• Grenade is good.
• 40% Churchill HP isn't the gamechanger.
• 80MP/15 Fuel isn't that much of the cost difference, but it still something to consider.
• Churchill gets the extra repair ability where KV-1 gets the bonus +20% reload speed on Churchill.

You can buff KV-1 to the performance/price of Churchill, but both units are still going to struggle to find the place in the game. One Stug or Pak with faust squad is all you need to prevent the KV1/Churchill advance.

Perhaps there is a use-case scenario for 1vs1/2vs2 games where these tanks can be efficient at disrupting enemies, but 4vs4 it is a veterancy pinata with no firepower against Panther and up.
9 Dec 2017, 16:36 PM
#1314
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Posts: 355

• Smoke is trash, it slows the unit and the smoke itself isn't even as big as USF canisters, the churchill takes some time to crawl into the smoke backwards. Churchill is a big and slow tank, it gets even slower in smoke and many players already know about attack ground option. You are better off not using smoke while retreating.


While I agree Churchill smoke is hard (impossible?) to use effectively, it doesn't slow down the tank anymore in DBP.
9 Dec 2017, 18:16 PM
#1315
avatar of Outsider_Sidaroth

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Praise the Luchs arrival nerf.
9 Dec 2017, 18:27 PM
#1316
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Lel - I knew that 140 seemed a bit too cheap :foreveralone:



Don't worry, we all make mistakes
9 Dec 2017, 18:41 PM
#1317
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Posts: 4306



4.0 and 5.1 is almost nothing. Still 1.1 less speed is irrelevant if you can eat 9 shots (KV1 - 7).
Sherman also has smoke even tho USF have mobile mortar so...
30 armor is nothing. It translates into 79% or 70% chances to penetrate vs Pak40.
Anvil locks you out of Comet. KV1 locks you out of T34/85, ISU, IS2, KV2, KV8... :foreveralone:
its for the same reason that ost p4 and okw p4 have different prices
you dont' pick a doc only for the kv1 they come in package and the package is very good
9 Dec 2017, 22:03 PM
#1319
avatar of Nilon

Posts: 68

its for the same reason that ost p4 and okw p4 have different prices
you dont' pick a doc only for the kv1 they come in package and the package is very good


Ost P4 and OKW P4 are diffrent Tanks. OKW P4 got more armor than Ost one.
9 Dec 2017, 22:19 PM
#1320
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Dec 2017, 22:03 PMNilon


Ost P4 and OKW P4 are diffrent Tanks. OKW P4 got more armor than Ost one.
did you just skip all my message to see this one only, go back just 2 or 3 and you will see
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