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Afterpatch: mortar vet 0 vs vet 3 comparison

29 Jul 2016, 14:35 PM
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Click on picture to see it in bigger size.

Vet 3 circle is the bigger and brighter one, the smallest circle is no-fire zone.

First 2 are russian mortars, 3rd is USF mortar and grW 34 is ostheer mortar, other unit names should be obvious.

All units were sitting in same spot, tested in Angoville



I´ll just leave it here, discuss.




29 Jul 2016, 14:37 PM
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pack howie so beast
29 Jul 2016, 14:39 PM
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pack howie so beast


its only barrage mode, normal fire range is lower, but still those HEAT round wiping squads fired from that afar is nothing I want to encounter ;)
29 Jul 2016, 14:46 PM
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pack howie so beast

Vet3 pack howi auto attack range is same as standard mortars vet3.
29 Jul 2016, 14:50 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jul 2016, 14:46 PMKatitof

Vet3 pack howi auto attack range is same as standard mortars vet3.


confirms that it is beast
29 Jul 2016, 14:59 PM
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confirms that it is beast

That is actually standard.
29 Jul 2016, 15:00 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jul 2016, 14:59 PMKatitof

That is actually standard.


now little katitof takes pack howie shells and amazing barrage mode into account
29 Jul 2016, 15:05 PM
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now little katitof takes pack howie shells and amazing barrage mode into account


I'll take into account that it will be decrewed 100% of times when its ambushed as well contrary to mortars that just press retreat button and preserve vet. :snfBarton:

Was it up to me, I would redesign howi into barrage only weapon with 6-9 shots barrage.
29 Jul 2016, 15:37 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jul 2016, 15:05 PMKatitof


I'll take into account that it will be decrewed 100% of times when its ambushed as well contrary to mortars that just press retreat button and preserve vet. :snfBarton:

Was it up to me, I would redesign howi into barrage only weapon with 6-9 shots barrage.


Just screen your pak howi with the riflemen horde. A simple L2P issue.
29 Jul 2016, 15:45 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jul 2016, 15:05 PMKatitof


I'll take into account that it will be decrewed 100% of times when its ambushed as well contrary to mortars that just press retreat button and preserve vet. :snfBarton:

Was it up to me, I would redesign howi into barrage only weapon with 6-9 shots barrage.


you never agree dont ya

always finding a reason to make it bad
29 Jul 2016, 16:05 PM
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just ignore katitof completely,otherwise you just waste time you could do other Things.... take a dump i.e.
29 Jul 2016, 17:03 PM
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you never agree dont ya

always finding a reason to make it bad

I beg to disagree :sibPheasant:


I just like to see the whole unit, not just its ups or downs.
29 Jul 2016, 17:18 PM
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And how many heat shells pack howie shoots? 3? Now add huge scatter and chances for wiping stuff will be lower than 1%.
29 Jul 2016, 18:06 PM
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And how many heat shells pack howie shoots? 3? Now add huge scatter and chances for wiping stuff will be lower than 1%.


I'm not going to post the stats because they're so readily available, but everyone readily ignores them, but pack howies and ISGs have less scatter than their mortar counterparts that also have a similar number of shells per barrage.
29 Jul 2016, 18:07 PM
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I'm not going to post the stats because they're so readily available, but everyone readily ignores them, but pack howies and ISGs have less scatter than their mortar counterparts that also have a similar number of shells per barrage.


But again. What are chances that one of those 3 shells will land perfectly on a squad and wipe? Quite low..
29 Jul 2016, 18:08 PM
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And how many heat shells pack howie shoots? 3? Now add huge scatter and chances for wiping stuff will be lower than 1%.



Agreed, its pretty inaccurate and the cool down makes it a sub-par ability at best.
29 Jul 2016, 18:18 PM
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But again. What are chances that one of those 3 shells will land perfectly on a squad and wipe? Quite low..


Regular shells, both auto and barrage, pretty well vs units in yellow cover because everyone clumps up. For some reason they have much less scatter than HEAT.

Of course if you get hit by HEAT in cover, you're probably dead. Obviously it's either RNG or you've moved the pack howie up closer.
29 Jul 2016, 18:46 PM
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Just a little note to all who are arguing about pack howie. Squads that are retreating to base often have low health and members, so once once shot hit them (not even on top of the squad) they are pretty much dead.

Thats why pack howie firing every HEAT round (from safe distance ofcourse) to your HQ when you retreat may be annoying to deal with.
29 Jul 2016, 18:53 PM
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Just a little note to all who are arguing about pack howie. Squads that are retreating to base often have low health and members, so once once shot hit them (not even on top of the squad) they are pretty much dead.

Thats why pack howie firing every HEAT round (from safe distance ofcourse) to your HQ when you retreat may be annoying to deal with.


I don't see anything wrong with this.

I won engagement and now I'm trying to kill retreating squad.
We can say the same about retreating blob straight into Stuka zu fuss/katy/calliope/werfer barrage - same mechanism.
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