Worst case scenario:
It would give USF 2nd valid opening.
Back to riflespam.
Cause Auto pick elite rifleman company was so much fun ... right ?
RIP Rear Echelon :'C
4 Dec 2015, 15:45 PM
#21
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Cause Auto pick elite rifleman company was so much fun ... right ?
4 Dec 2015, 15:50 PM
#22
Posts: 17884 | Subs: 8
Cause Auto pick elite rifleman company was so much fun ... right ?
Never used it(ok, used it a couple of times to see what actually is all the fuss about), never felt the need to use it.
Flamer RETs with old cost wouldn't be the issue people try to make it seem and they certainly wouldn't become meta. They have ok scaling, but not that good like rifles.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
4 Dec 2015, 15:51 PM
#23
Posts: 742 | Subs: 1
Never used it(ok, used it a couple of times to see what actually is all the fuss about), never felt the need to use it.
Flamer RETs with old cost wouldn't be the issue people try to make it seem and they certainly wouldn't become meta. They have ok scaling, but not that good like rifles.
I'am not talking of you in particular, this commander has been banned in any serious tournament for a reason
4 Dec 2015, 15:54 PM
#24
Posts: 1384
Cheaper than CE, 5 men at vet 3, can equip a flamer + ( Bar, lmg, zook )
We all seen RE only build working, i never seen a CE build only working
so yes its could be worse if RE remained at 160 Mp and can equip flamer
Mass RE works so well because it scaled. Between weapon upgrades, good vet bonuses and the overall composition of the US mid game army they provided a way to have a very cost effective but weaker early game yet have a similar endgame.
It was one of my favourite builds for awhile last year.
Mass CE could work, but there's no real point to doing it other than to have multiple flamers or spam demo charges.
Bug (squad_member_count accidentally changed from 5 to 4):
If this formula is true. Then this was the old price:
squad_cost = 160
squad_member_count = 5
160/(2*5) -> 160/10 = 16 MP reinforcement
but now its
squad_cost = 200
squad_member_count = 5
200/(2*5) -> 200/10 = 20 MP reinforcement (whutt???? math???)
The bug is Relic changed the squad_member_count from 5 to 4 IN ADDITION TO increasing manpower so now you have a whopping +9 MP penality.
Right now its:
squad_cost = 200
squad_member_count = 4
200/(2*4) -> 200/8 = 25 MP reinforcement (bad)
Hope this gets fixed soon. 20 mp would still be okay.
4 Dec 2015, 16:01 PM
#25
Posts: 1063
Mass CE never works because mass cons does everything better and at cheaper price (1mp less) and cons scale wayyy better.
As I said before, just add a group debuff like vCOH pio spam debuff and RE will be fine, why do they nerf RE so that they only works with rifle company (the commander should be called RE company), other strat that relies on RE gets shafted (RIP WC51 + RE, pathfinder + RE) and US is now even more susceptible to sniper. USF have many problem but RE is sure as heck not one of them.
As I said before, just add a group debuff like vCOH pio spam debuff and RE will be fine, why do they nerf RE so that they only works with rifle company (the commander should be called RE company), other strat that relies on RE gets shafted (RIP WC51 + RE, pathfinder + RE) and US is now even more susceptible to sniper. USF have many problem but RE is sure as heck not one of them.
4 Dec 2015, 16:02 PM
#26
Posts: 1384
As I said before, just add a group debuff like vCOH pio spam debuff and RE will be fine
Any sort of group debuff is the gayest shit.
4 Dec 2015, 16:07 PM
#27
Posts: 1063
Any sort of group debuff is the gayest shit.
Tell that to vCOH Brit that get rekted by Pio spam. As for RE, because nerfing one unit to make it viable in only 1 commander make so much sense than fixing blobbing problems. RE got shafted because of RE spam cheese, otherwise nobody complains about them.
4 Dec 2015, 16:12 PM
#28
Posts: 476
Because relic didnt intend rear echelons to be spammable BAR platforms.
4 Dec 2015, 16:15 PM
#29
Posts: 1890 | Subs: 1
Could someone clarify - was the old RE reinforce cost a bug or is the current patched version a bug?
I'm confused because I didn't see anything in the patch notes about upping the cost or is that a just a side-effect of upping their cost to 200 MP.
On a side note does that mean they upped Volks reinforce cost as well?
I'm confused because I didn't see anything in the patch notes about upping the cost or is that a just a side-effect of upping their cost to 200 MP.
On a side note does that mean they upped Volks reinforce cost as well?
4 Dec 2015, 16:19 PM
#30
Posts: 1124
I think it was an unnecessary change, but thanks bro you made my Friday.
"Piece of shit captain sprice"
Lol was semi reading it until I seen that, lmao.
1v1 shouldn't decide the game tho. I think that should be a thing of the past. #Team games matter
"Piece of shit captain sprice"
Lol was semi reading it until I seen that, lmao.
1v1 shouldn't decide the game tho. I think that should be a thing of the past. #Team games matter
4 Dec 2015, 17:02 PM
#31
Posts: 1384
Because relic didnt intend rear echelons to be spammable BAR platforms.
Really? They added weapon racks and didn't think of it? I doubt that.
4 Dec 2015, 18:14 PM
#32
Posts: 4314 | Subs: 7
They are not worth for their cost. 25 mp reinforce even with 5th men and still weaker than cons ?
Nvm.
Also i dont anyone who will trade 3 MP reinforce cost with better raw DPS , more utility - at/ai greandes , smoke , better vet and much bigger survivability (vet 3 rec.acc.bonus)
Nvm.
Also i dont anyone who will trade 3 MP reinforce cost with better raw DPS , more utility - at/ai greandes , smoke , better vet and much bigger survivability (vet 3 rec.acc.bonus)
4 Dec 2015, 20:46 PM
#33
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it should've been ass engi or some other way to get flamers.
in order to band-aid fix almost certain RE flamer spam, they made it fucking 200mp/25mp.
least thing they can do is reduce the reinforce cost to 20mp.
in order to band-aid fix almost certain RE flamer spam, they made it fucking 200mp/25mp.
least thing they can do is reduce the reinforce cost to 20mp.
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4 Dec 2015, 20:54 PM
#34
Posts: 1304 | Subs: 13
Make them 180mp and 22/23mp to ensure they remain effective at recrewing weapons as those modifers are built into the squad
or
Significantly buff their accuracy to quite a bit where they are now a threat.
or
Significantly buff their accuracy to quite a bit where they are now a threat.
4 Dec 2015, 20:59 PM
#35
Posts: 657
I have to agree with the point of why should normal base RE get nerfed to balance it under the conditions of one going Rifle Company so the rest are penalized. 25mp to reinforce is over the top and should be getting M2 carbines. HAHA 
4 Dec 2015, 22:33 PM
#36
Posts: 665
Well, at least they're no longer free kills for Pios/Sturms early game.
4 Dec 2015, 22:37 PM
#37
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Changed it because of Rifle company. 160mp unit with CP0 flamthrowers, would be completely broken.
??
170 mp Soviet combat engineer with cp0 flamers!! Completely broken!
4 Dec 2015, 22:46 PM
#38
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Posts: 146
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170 mp Soviet combat engineer with cp0 flamers!! Completely broken!
Seriously, for this price RE should get back OP volley fire so at least they can do something.
4 Dec 2015, 22:52 PM
#39
Posts: 1617
When did the REs cost 16mp? Do you even play the game OP?
Make up your mind before posting bs on the forums, REs beat mainline infantry with upgrades with free cover, cheap cost.
Make up your mind before posting bs on the forums, REs beat mainline infantry with upgrades with free cover, cheap cost.
4 Dec 2015, 23:38 PM
#40
Posts: 1216
It's funny how Relic changes shit that not needed a change. Always, for 2 years long.That's their idea of refreshing the game. Revamp a few things every now and then and consider the resulting mess a solution.
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