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You do know the M4 Sherman base regularly bounces of the front of a Pzr 4. Most Whermact players ignore it because it's a General Purpose tank unlike the Panzer that is a dedicated tank fighter.
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The hilarious part is that the Panzer IV has issues trouble penetrating the rear armour of the Comet(180), Churchill(180) and IS-2(205) unless firing at point-blank. It's already slower that the other tanks except for blitzing or using the Encirclement breakthrough. Aren't mediums supposed to engage heavies when flanking? I guess we could toss more PIVs at it, but rear armour on quite a few tanks, KT included, should be re-examined so that flanking with mediums is better rewarded.
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After PanzerIV buff, what will happen to T34 and Sherman? Evolving from useless to garbage?
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Check for Penetration stats (Far/mid/near)
Sherman 75 mm AP (100/120/140)
Cromwell 75 mm (105/120/135)
T-34 76 mm (80/100/120)
Pz4 75 mm (100/110/120)
Oh (why tank gun use for counter T-34 like Kwk40 75mm/L48 have lower pen than tank gun use for infantry Support Role like M3 75 mm/L37 )
I know something not inaccurate for balance but not for highest cost workhorse tank
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Now add reload and armor values to that list.
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the only mediums that are effective against heavies are the V and the comet. you can still beat heavies with IVs/cromwells/3476s/shermans but it requires multiple tanks and good micro in decent terrain. that's how it should be.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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EZ-8 and 34/85 also are valid choices, not as good as these two, but still potent, especially EZ8 which is simply superior medium tank.
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Why do people think that because a tank is German and if it doesn't roflstop everything in the game then it needs a buff
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Reducing cost could make it more viable choice.
HP > Armor
Penetration and Armor worth less at close range.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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What about the 5 fuel difference between the Panzer IV J and Easy Eight? Yet the Easy Eight beats 3/4 times?
Nothing changed of course, except the buffing of it's primary counterpart, triple buffing of an already superior unit, and addition of the British Forces and their army of superior tanks. But no nothing's changed.
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let me ask you this..
why does the Pershing "Heavy" tank which comes at 13 cp from a doctrinal commander and costs 600mp and 230fuel and also is limited to 1 LOSE to the cheaper non tech Panther that also DOESNT HAVE a limit of 1?
why should the panzer 4 beat the E8??
does the t34-76 beat Panzer 4s??
does the sherman beat Panzer 4s??
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let me ask you this..
why does the Pershing "Heavy" tank which comes at 13 cp from a doctrinal commander and costs 600mp and 230fuel and also is limited to 1 LOSE to the cheaper non tech Panther that also DOESNT HAVE a limit of 1?
why should the panzer 4 beat the E8??
does the t34-76 beat Panzer 4s??
does the sherman beat Panzer 4s??
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The hilarious part is that the Panzer IV has issues trouble penetrating the rear armour of the Comet(180), Churchill(180) and IS-2(205) unless firing at point-blank. It's already slower that the other tanks except for blitzing or using the Encirclement breakthrough. Aren't mediums supposed to engage heavies when flanking? I guess we could toss more PIVs at it, but rear armour on quite a few tanks, KT included, should be re-examined so that flanking with mediums is better rewarded.
Onto the PIV vs doctrinal mediums, main issue that Someguy is pointing out that the standard M4 Sherman with AP and Cromwell vs the Panzer IV, while they will probably lose to the PIV head-on, it's not as one-sided as the E8 stomping the PIV into the ground thanks to its penetration and armour.
As for my opinion on the Panzer IV, no real problem with the tank. It's a good generalist that can help anchor the line and protect the Pak wall/support weapons from the superior British/American infantry and I would always take this tank over the Ostwind, even for the AI role as it can fight armour and shoot down the occasional plane with the pintle.
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Pershing doesn't lose to panther unless bad micro or RNG.
Pershing has brutal performance against infantry/at guns.Panther zero.
Panther requires massive teching,pershing free call-in.
Wehrmacht has panther as it lacked 60 range tank destroyer,usf by design wasn't supposed to get heavy tank with jackson best td in the game but still got pershing.
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