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Ostheer - No Free Green Cover.

17 Sep 2015, 11:44 AM
#61
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 11:38 AMBlalord


- Like USF and UKF does to ?
- T2 unlock is still needed as far as i know


- No, USF and UKF has to research (pay for the upgrade) LMGs? Or did I miss something here? :)
- Yes T2 is needed for rifle nade but e.g. Faust is active right away. Sov needs to research that as well and USF gets it via veterancy.

And no, Wehr doesn't need to build green cover. Reasons have been said so many times in this thread.
17 Sep 2015, 11:48 AM
#62
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 10:27 AMl4hti
@HelpingHans

Ostheer, the only faction with LMGs for baseline infantry, withtout research to get them. Grenades without research. Best AT snare without research. Best MG, Best AT gun. Asymmetrical balance you know? :hansGASM:


jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 11:38 AMBlalord


- Like USF and UKF does to ?
- T2 unlock is still needed as far as i know


Blalord pls :snfBarton:

Allies have to pack extra fuel and menpower, grens operate on welfare gear.
17 Sep 2015, 11:49 AM
#63
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 11:44 AMFlamee


- No, USF and UKF has to research (pay for the upgrade) LMGs? Or did I miss something here? :)
- Yes T2 is needed for rifle nade but e.g. Faust is active right away. Sov needs to research that as well and USF gets it via veterancy.

And no, Wehr doesn't need to build green cover. Reasons have been said so many times in this thread.


- Non doctrinal Bren's ( UKF ) aand Doctrinal Bar's ( USF, no need to pay the upgrade ) are not considered as LMG ?
- T2 is needed for LMG too, Sov dont need to pay or to tech for Merge and Hoorah

17 Sep 2015, 11:56 AM
#64
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 11:49 AMBlalord


- Non doctrinal Bren's ( UKF ) aand Doctrinal Bar's ( USF, no need to pay the upgrade ) are not considered as LMG ?
- T2 is needed for LMG too, Sov dont need to pay or to tech for Merge and Hoorah



You are missing the point here.

- UKF and USF has to pay for those upgrades AND then pay for the LMGs. Wehr just needs to upgrade gun. (Well yes technically you need T1 but give me a game where Wehr doesn't tech past T0) :D
17 Sep 2015, 12:01 PM
#65
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 11:56 AMFlamee


You are missing the point here.

- UKF and USF has to pay for those upgrades AND then pay for the LMGs. Wehr just needs to upgrade gun. (Well yes technically you need T1 but give me a game where Wehr doesn't tech past T0) :D


I understand, but in return they can equip weapons with all there infantry, and they can equip them with 2 ( even 3 weapons for heavy engies ).

- USF, in 2 doctrines, have weapons that dont need research, just CP

You need T2 research, not T1 (anyway there is no T1 tech cost, just the building), i understand your point, but LMG at the end as some cost

The choice of no Green cover for OH was obvious on coh2 vanilla:
- Sov have sandbags, OH have bunkers

But now, with new factions, there is no more that difference.

I think that was the point of Hans, and this is why we are discussing
17 Sep 2015, 12:03 PM
#66
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Right T2, somehow I was thinking you need to do research but then mixed the Tiers.

Carry on. :D
17 Sep 2015, 12:28 PM
#67
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:snfQuinn::snfQuinn:Basically giving grens sandbags would make ostheer even more OP.. Vet 3 grens with LMG42s and SDKFZ reinforcing them is just :snfPeter::snfPeter::snfPeter:
17 Sep 2015, 12:41 PM
#68
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There are plenty of things other factions can't do that ost can.

Its asymmetrical balance..

also ost is currently super strong, particularly when defending, why would relic want to compound that with buildable green cover ?
17 Sep 2015, 12:56 PM
#69
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 12:41 PMsamich
There are plenty of things other factions can't do that ost can.

Its asymmetrical balance..

also ost is currently super strong, particularly when defending, why would relic want to compound that with buildable green cover ?


Everytime people say "currently" when it's patch day I am close to getting a seizure. Do you guys read patch notes?
17 Sep 2015, 13:16 PM
#70
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Don't bring Relic on ideas here, they will put defensive sandbag structures in a new Ostheer doctrine, only $7,99.


17 Sep 2015, 13:32 PM
#71
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 11:49 AMBlalord


- Non doctrinal Bren's ( UKF ) aand Doctrinal Bar's ( USF, no need to pay the upgrade ) are not considered as LMG ?
- T2 is needed for LMG too, Sov dont need to pay or to tech for Merge and Hoorah

In game, BARs are modeled as assault rifles not LMGs, so no.
17 Sep 2015, 13:37 PM
#72
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Well, if the bunkers are in fact broken as stated, I.e. models wont fire out of it, then a fix for that would be enough I think.

I would like to see costs shifted to say 75-100mp for base bunker and 50-75mp & whatever munitions cost is currently there for the upgrade.
17 Sep 2015, 13:50 PM
#73
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In game, BARs are modeled as assault rifles not LMGs, so no.


i was talking of the LMG browning of infantry company, i never remember the name of that weapon:(
17 Sep 2015, 14:00 PM
#74
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Don't bring Relic on ideas here, they will put defensive sandbag structures in a new Ostheer doctrine, only $7,99.




Fortunately, those days are long gone. Sorry, off-topic.

17 Sep 2015, 14:01 PM
#75
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Sep 2015, 21:45 PMCabreza
It might be interesting if bunkers were cheaper but the upgrades associated with them had an additional MP cost. That way it would still cost the same amount of MP and MU to create a MG/Med/Com bunker but more of the cost would be back loaded so Wher has an easier time bringing out vanilla bunkers for general combat purposes.

You could do the same with USF fighting positions as well.


It is a good idea but in case of usf figting positions it cannot be done as RE benefit too much from them. Building 3 instead of one in the center of semoisky would be I win button for usf in 1v1 and 2v2.
17 Sep 2015, 14:32 PM
#76
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 12:56 PMQbix


Everytime people say "currently" when it's patch day I am close to getting a seizure. Do you guys read patch notes?


omg you're right there's a patch and it includes some balance changes GIVE OST FREE GREEN COVER!!111
17 Sep 2015, 14:36 PM
#77
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Imo they already have the strongest defense,that would make it even harder to attack them.


Agreed they are already a lot stronger than any other starting unit and insane with lmgs, I hardly see them actually having to worry about cover anyway and they still win the fight.
17 Sep 2015, 14:52 PM
#78
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 08:55 AMrush


i got modded for calling you allies fanboi , u'r really well connected aren't you Kappa..
What are u talking about man?
17 Sep 2015, 14:59 PM
#79
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Can USF, Brits, ans SOV get free weapon upgragedds, nades, and snares too?
17 Sep 2015, 15:05 PM
#80
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Honestly, the only reason I will ever think this is necessary if I was playing Ostruppen. The bunkers are too clunky to use and a smaller sandbag would make a world of difference. Would be rather powerful indirect upgrade if they can set it up themselves though.
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