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Panzerwerfer - the forgotten Ostheer arty

29 Aug 2015, 17:26 PM
#21
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Aug 2015, 15:41 PMl4hti
I dont know what to think, LEHF is very viable this patch, and ostheer turbo mortar has always been. If you buff panzerwerfer too much it would make ostheer indirect fire op?


LEFH is not viable, ML-20 will become as shitty as LEFH. Just because ML got nerfed does not mean that LEFH is fine. They will both suck after this patch.

And who said anything about buffing Pzwerfer "too much"?
29 Aug 2015, 17:40 PM
#22
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Aug 2015, 17:26 PMRMMLz


LEFH is not viable, ML-20 will become as shitty as LEFH. Just because ML got nerfed does not mean that LEFH is fine. They will both suck after this patch.

And who said anything about buffing Pzwerfer "too much"?


I disagree, the LeFH is solid. It's just overshadowed by a laughably strong ML-20. Anyway, I'd much rather artillery be bad than OP.
29 Aug 2015, 18:15 PM
#23
avatar of Jonky

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Can't just move the werfer to t3 without changing anything else, you make t3 even stronger and t4 even worse.


Panther's are fantastic and I really like Brummbars personally. Almost all 1v1's never go to T4 for Ostheer as it's just not economical; people would go T4 anyway in team games (because Panther) so I cannot see any real change apart from 1v1 Panzerwerfer opportunities which would be really nice actually.
29 Aug 2015, 18:16 PM
#24
avatar of RMMLz

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I disagree, the LeFH is solid. It's just overshadowed by a laughably strong ML-20. Anyway, I'd much rather artillery be bad than OP.


Or, it could be good. I don't wanna derail the thread but there are options to make all arty pieces in game good but not OP, there are other threads about it.
29 Aug 2015, 18:18 PM
#25
avatar of bobop6

Posts: 38

When the support armor building is built the say medium armor and rocket artillery is now available. Just add the panzerwerfer to tier 3. Maybe put the Ostwind in teir 4, or even the Tiger or Elefant, as in the original beta, hardly anyone uses Elefants outside team games anyway, and it would give people a reason to actually go tier 4 outside the panther, which is atm the only reason to go tier 4.
29 Aug 2015, 19:08 PM
#26
avatar of elchino7
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Reduce cooldown and increase HP to 200.
29 Aug 2015, 19:26 PM
#27
avatar of Australian Magic

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Id like to keep it as special close range arty but give it armor against small fire and 400hp with +160 at vet 2.
29 Aug 2015, 19:47 PM
#28
avatar of Mr. Someguy

Posts: 4928

Move it to T3 like others have said, the Panther is 95% the reason people go T4 anyway. Reduce Sturmpanzer cost too.
29 Aug 2015, 20:09 PM
#29
avatar of BeefSurge

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Werfee should be buffed but turbomortar should also be nerfed. Giving ost ridiculous nondoc indirect + sniper will really hurt the Brits, and to a lesser extent usf.
29 Aug 2015, 20:51 PM
#30
avatar of Zyllen

Posts: 770

mirror it with the soviet kat or give it backs its old missile count.
30 Aug 2015, 01:10 AM
#31
avatar of Coventrierer

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to get them in t3 would be so awesome :D i never go for tanks so arty party confirmed at 12 min
30 Aug 2015, 01:19 AM
#32
avatar of Nuclear Arbitor
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it still counters the katy but that's about it.
30 Aug 2015, 14:20 PM
#33
avatar of Junaid

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How about:

1) Increase rockets fired to 16 like it used to be but keep the dmg profile as is now. Don't touch reload. (used to do 160 dmg, now 80)

AND

2) Move to HQ, unlock at BP3. That way ost won't starve due to having no late game arty if going t3 and keep the werfer at a reasonable fuel gate
30 Aug 2015, 14:21 PM
#34
avatar of Junaid

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Werfee should be buffed but turbomortar should also be nerfed. Giving ost ridiculous nondoc indirect + sniper will really hurt the Brits, and to a lesser extent usf.


Beef, I'm happy you like to quote me but plz quote the post in full.

Also, I think brits will be ok. They have brace, remember?
30 Aug 2015, 14:22 PM
#35
avatar of Junaid

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Guys plz keep the thread on panzerwerfer only. Make other threads about other arty plz
30 Aug 2015, 14:30 PM
#36
avatar of dasheepeh

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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 14:20 PMJunaid
How about:

1) Increase rockets fired to 16 like it used to be but keep the dmg profile as is now. Don't touch reload. (used to do 160 dmg, now 80)

AND

2) Move to HQ, unlock at BP3. That way ost won't starve due to having no late game arty if going t3 and keep the werfer at a reasonable fuel gate


thats a really good suggestion, although it would look bad. T0 would have Pios, Mg42 and the Panzerwerfer :foreveralone:
30 Aug 2015, 15:30 PM
#37
avatar of Junaid

Posts: 509

Yeah who cares about bad looks? We already have hmg in t0.
30 Aug 2015, 15:46 PM
#38
avatar of Robbie_Rotten
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You can't move it to T3 without making massive changes, like moving the PIV to T4 or something equally as dumb.

It performs fine. It is an RNG machine like all rocket artillery, unless you move it in close (which is the same for Katyusha. It is obviously meant to be used close since it can take 2 shots and still live, and it it is cheaper.
30 Aug 2015, 16:16 PM
#39
avatar of Junaid

Posts: 509

Infact, to fine tune my earlier suggestion:

Move it to hq but require either BP3 or T3 building built. That way guys who go T3 won't have to pay extra 45 fuel for BP3.
30 Aug 2015, 16:17 PM
#40
avatar of Junaid

Posts: 509

You can't move it to T3 without making massive changes, like moving the PIV to T4 or something equally as dumb.

It performs fine. It is an RNG machine like all rocket artillery, unless you move it in close (which is the same for Katyusha. It is obviously meant to be used close since it can take 2 shots and still live, and it it is cheaper.


I'm afraid your knowledge is wrong there chap. It has 160 hp. Meaning it dies to one shot, just like katyusha. Its only saving grace is the small amount of armor on it, but that just protects it from small arms. You probably confused it with the Walking stuka (Thats OKW mate)

Source: http://www.coh2-stats.com/vehicles

Edit: If you did see it take two shots, it was probably in the defensive-bonus area of a command tank; but that's a rare and unusual circumstance.

If it could actually take two shots (like the 251 HT) people would find it much easier to use
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