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8 Apr 2015, 19:16 PM
#61
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And why USF flames costs 70 muni? It's explodes more than OST and sov flamers and I can't see difference between these flamers.


why do flamethrowers explode at all?



Well I wouldn't go as far as Quentin but IMHO only thing that needed the nerf was Shreck acc and recieved accuracy at lvl 5 of Volks. Rest of nerfs were just stupid.


So obers were fine?

8 Apr 2015, 19:23 PM
#62
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Yes, ill go Rifle Company every game this happens and forfeit all other commanders just to counter a free unit that somehow deters enemy infantry.

You want the truck to be a "tactic", wait for it to be a commander feature that forfeits other reasonable OKW commanders, Kappa.

The list of counters for the OKW truck is empty. Nothing should be required at all to counter something free. Players make riflemen, but it should never come to mind that they will have to stop a truck...


if no kubel. 2 normal RIFLEMAN will work.
8 Apr 2015, 19:25 PM
#63
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why do flamethrowers explode at all?




So obers were fine?


Yes their DPS was ridicilous but only 4 models 50 reinf cost. But really when you think about it free MG-34 and all the great stats they were too good. Maybe if cost would be 580 MP then it would be justified and I would gladly pay for them anyway.
8 Apr 2015, 19:25 PM
#64
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pretty sure what paul wants is just more ways to play the early game. right now the early game is very limited strategically what you can do as OKW. you only have the sturm kubel and volks to really work with. kubel can quickly become 240mp down the drain when the m20 or scout car comes, so you have to fall back on just sturms volks and maybe the mg34.


Agreed. Got owned by rifleman so many times.
8 Apr 2015, 19:26 PM
#65
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Paul, you are a professional good player and everybody respect you, but truck pushing is broken bullshit.


That is why they have nerf it.

But like I say it need adjustment.
8 Apr 2015, 19:28 PM
#66
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http://www.coh2.org/topic/30352/quentin-okw-is-the-weakest-faction


not exactly unheard of for top players to have different views on balance.


I will vote YES for now.
8 Apr 2015, 19:29 PM
#67
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And why USF flames costs 70 muni? It's explodes more than OST and sov flamers and I can't see difference between these flamers.


RIFLEMAN shoot faster and can do nade and such. I think 75 will be good also,.
8 Apr 2015, 19:32 PM
#68
avatar of Losira420

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Anyway Paula do you think Obers were IMBA before?
8 Apr 2015, 19:32 PM
#69
avatar of OZtheWiZARD

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To the author.


Sorry to hear your easy ride with OKW has ended. I guess it's time to learn and adopt.


Sincerely Yours,
Me
8 Apr 2015, 19:34 PM
#70
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Anyway Paula do you think Obers were IMBA before?


When it first come out is IMBA. last patch is ok, no big deal.

But now is less people doing fast T4 OKW.

And yes. getting a inf unit that cost T4 "80 fuel" and spend more 400MP 60 ammo then

getting wipe by a demo-mines-T70-SHERMAN HE is kinda like*********
8 Apr 2015, 19:34 PM
#72
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a Wall of text, and people are still arguing about truck pushing after 3 freakin' pages.
8 Apr 2015, 19:42 PM
#73
avatar of Losira420

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When it first come out is IMBA. last patch is ok, no big deal.

But now is less people doing fast T4 OKW.

And yes. getting a inf unit that cost T4 "80 fuel" and spend more 400MP 60 ammo then

getting wipe by a demo-mines-T70-SHERMAN HE is kinda like*********

I agree so much on this! Before this patch Obersoldaten were good. Nerf the damage of Mg-34 fine I take that but removing it and making it munition upgrade is stupid. Infared Stg-44s got kinda screwed tho but still two weapons instead of one Mg-34 are good enough munition cost should be same as Mg-34 at least!
8 Apr 2015, 20:00 PM
#75
avatar of Losira420

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To the author.


Sorry to hear your easy ride with OKW has ended. I guess it's time to learn and adopt.


Sincerely Yours,
Me

People like you are bane of every game.
8 Apr 2015, 20:04 PM
#76
avatar of Frost

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2. Obersoldaten nerf : It’s reasonable but a bit too harsh, Guards troops with DP28 have more dps output than Ober with Mg34, and way cheaper and easy to get in early game. I think it’s better to set Mg34 at 40muni or buff the dmg back to 8. As for Mp44 upgrade, it’s still good, a better option than before. And I Think if there is an option that after OBER get the LMG34 and spend 90 muni more for 1 STG 44. That will be good idea. So it will be 1 LMG34 1 STG44 cost total 130 muni.




15. G43 package upgrade for Ostheer GRENS need to be more expensive but more powerful, G43 can now upgrade with LMG42 but cost more. Total 120 muni. (45 for G43 than LMG cost 75 or 60 for LMG than 60 for G43).


Just give them 3 GeW43 for 60 muni?

21. USF BAR now cost 50 munitions. Cost 150 MP 25 fuel to unlock.




26. Sdkfz 251 don’t need Battle phase 2 to unlock Flame projectors.


We all remember that... Oh no, you didnt?
8 Apr 2015, 20:11 PM
#77
avatar of OZtheWiZARD

Posts: 1439


People like you are bane of every game.


Thank you.

I know you prefer easy victories and playing with OP faction.

Also I was supporting many changes that were implemented in this patch.

I was saying about long range accuracy nerf for Panzeshrek, Toning down ridiculous Vet5 bonuses for Volksgrenadiers, ammo cost for lmg34 for Obers etc. You can blame me directly for all OKW nerfs. It feels good to be right.
8 Apr 2015, 20:12 PM
#78
avatar of Losira420

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Thank you.

I know you prefer easy victories and playing with OP faction.

Also I was supporting many changes that were implemented in this patch.

I was saying about long range accuracy nerf for Panzeshrek, Toning down ridiculous Vet5 bonuses for Volksgrenadiers, ammo cost for lmg34 for Obers etc. You can blame me directly that OKW got nerfed. It feels good to be right.

Please stop embarasing yourself because gaming company makes changes you want it doesn't mean you are right. Sooner you will realize the better. There are no "easy victories" and no "OP factions" you are suffering from Protoss syndrome encountered in Starcraft 2.
8 Apr 2015, 20:17 PM
#79
avatar of OZtheWiZARD

Posts: 1439

Thank you for making this clear to me.



Still - the feeling when you're correct? Priceless
8 Apr 2015, 20:24 PM
#80
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Permanently Banned

There are no "easy victories" and no "OP factions" you are suffering from Protoss syndrome encountered in Starcraft 2.


Were you here last patch? :snfPeter:
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