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It's not when used with Ooourah.
Ppsh+Ooourah can force Obers to retreat.
Look closer at replay with T34s.
2 cons with Ppsh were melting 2 Volks.
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Great, cons that already beat volks now beat volks!
I'm sorry but when I have shock troops and whatnot available my enthusiasm for destroying my cons DPS outside of point blank range is rather low.
An upgrade that gives them SvT's or an LMG would help give them a roll instead of just making them shittier shock troops with a worse weapon profile.
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Great, cons that already beat volks now beat volks!
I'm sorry but when I have shock troops and whatnot available my enthusiasm for destroying my cons DPS outside of point blank range is rather low.
An upgrade that gives them SvT's or an LMG would help give them a roll instead of just making them shittier shock troops with a worse weapon profile.
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I have two questions though.
1. At what point would that upgrade arrive?
2. Wouldn't it overlap with Penals?
Cons not always will beat Volks, but even so, it takes XX seconds.
With Ppsh+oourah it takes 3-6secs.
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1. 3-4 CP like most upgrades
2. Nope, give them scoped SvT rifles that function like G43s.
The issue is cons are very fragile late game, so while your charging out of cover your just going to get mowed down. Shocks have armor for a reason. I would rather have my cons do better mid to long range dps.
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Regular G43s don't snipe, and the point of this is to avoid doctrinal upgrades anyway.
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Conscripts have a low cost to reinforce, are numerous and weak. They are designed around being cannon-fodder. This can lead to some problems later on versus upgraded axis troops.
I think it would be cool if there was an upgrade (similar to the Molotov, AT-nade upgrades... maybe 200mp, 50 fuel) that increased their squad size by two members. This upgrade could be tied to T3/T4 to not come too early.
Russians revolving around MGs the same way as the Germans is unrealistic and copy-paste design.
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There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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Cons are OK
especially when u combine them with shocks
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My suggestion from the last thread about this topic:
Why not implement something that is already in the game?
I remember the campaign had units called Frontowiki squads. They are basically buffed cons with ppsh and ai nades.
My suggestion would be to give cons the option to upgrade to these Frontowiki squads once they reach vet 3. For a small manpower and munitions price + t3 or t4 researched .
By this the Soviet faction manage to scale their cons well into the late game. It would support combined arms because you'd still need 1-2 cons squads for at nades and sandbags.
And fanboys would get their battle hardened core infantry that has a better name than conscripts.
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Combine them with shocks and watch how the enemy troops hit VET 3 in crazy speeds MVGame
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Frontoviki squads are practically conscripts with ppsh package + ai nade... Exactly. Nothing. Its doctrinal and its a downgrade.
There's no point touching conscripts ever. They only "scale" to the role of cannon fodder and that is the only thing theyll be able to do. Conscripts win games with their low upkeep and cheap reinforce, not with firepower.
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Combine them with shocks and watch how the enemy troops hit VET 3 in crazy speeds MVGame
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Like how Penals get Oorah at vet 2, give Cons satchel charges at vet 2
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