Just a pleasant reminder that if anybody else feels inspired to start a new thread about kubelwagens, they should first look back through the last 2 weeks of threads, where they will find several kubel fruits to chew on.
Will they ever fix the kubel?
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7 Oct 2014, 14:01 PM
#21
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Another outbreak of kubelitis?
Just a pleasant reminder that if anybody else feels inspired to start a new thread about kubelwagens, they should first look back through the last 2 weeks of threads, where they will find several kubel fruits to chew on.
Just a pleasant reminder that if anybody else feels inspired to start a new thread about kubelwagens, they should first look back through the last 2 weeks of threads, where they will find several kubel fruits to chew on.
7 Oct 2014, 14:03 PM
#22
Posts: 395
I just stopped playing. I'm waiting for eSport balance to arrive and whatever if it never does. I think it's time we all start thinking about (not necessarily doing but thinking) moving on.
I bought vCoH on January 3rd, 2007.
Still missing the days of vCoH 1.71. It had it's issues, like paks sniping 57s, and the strafe didn't work, but overall, it was probably the most balanced time in CoH history.
OF ruined that. CoH 2 is....balanced in a nasty way. Everyone has an equal stockpile of gamebreaking bullshit. USA is full of early game BS while the OKW doesn't get its BS until late game. It's just a question of how badly you exploit the faction's shit and how quickly, after a patch, you discover the gaping holes of bullshit Relic leaves. But either way, it's all BS. The only "BS" in vCoH that was gamechanging was the fast m8 vs a bunker.
Still missing the days of vCoH 1.71. It had it's issues, like paks sniping 57s, and the strafe didn't work, but overall, it was probably the most balanced time in CoH history.
OF ruined that. CoH 2 is....balanced in a nasty way. Everyone has an equal stockpile of gamebreaking bullshit. USA is full of early game BS while the OKW doesn't get its BS until late game. It's just a question of how badly you exploit the faction's shit and how quickly, after a patch, you discover the gaping holes of bullshit Relic leaves. But either way, it's all BS. The only "BS" in vCoH that was gamechanging was the fast m8 vs a bunker.
7 Oct 2014, 14:35 PM
#23
Posts: 2070
I still think the suppression makes the unit very strong. Before the buffs, I did not see the unit in significant numbers, and no one built more than one early game.
It is a very fast unit and it suppresses very fast. It can zoom to a choke point in the early game and lock it down.
Heck I would be okay with it if it had its September prenerf damage back if it did not supress
It is a very fast unit and it suppresses very fast. It can zoom to a choke point in the early game and lock it down.
Heck I would be okay with it if it had its September prenerf damage back if it did not supress
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
7 Oct 2014, 14:55 PM
#24
Posts: 35
I still think the suppression makes the unit very strong. Before the buffs, I did not see the unit in significant numbers, and no one built more than one early game.
It is a very fast unit and it suppresses very fast. It can zoom to a choke point in the early game and lock it down.
Heck I would be okay with it if it had its September prenerf damage back if it did not supress
Well, your playcard says you play only 4v4 soviets, how hard is to counter Kubel as Soviets? M3 rapes it (at least I am doing when i play Soviets vs OKW) .. Seriously, you are like on Balance Crusade in almost every topic, but without even trying to play Germans?
7 Oct 2014, 15:05 PM
#25
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'Rapes' is a bit of a stretch. It forces the the Soviet to go T1 which costs fuel and MP, than additional fuel and MP to get the scout car. The OKW has already won the economy war. The real fun begins when/if the OKW player goes for a flack AA/Puma/Luch. The Soviet player will more than likely have to go T2 which will further delay teching to armor.
A resounding OKW victory in the economy and teching progression front.
If it is going to continue to perform as it is, it needs to cost 5 fuel.
A resounding OKW victory in the economy and teching progression front.
If it is going to continue to perform as it is, it needs to cost 5 fuel.
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7 Oct 2014, 15:06 PM
#26
Posts: 2070
Ive played Ost but I do not own WFA. In 4v4, the Kubel is very strong since those maps have very nasty chokepoints. With multiple OKW, kubels can lockdown most of the fuel and VPs. This is very difficult for the Allies who need to have a good early game in order to compete later on.
M3 is decent counter but you have to tech in order to get it while the Kubel can be spawned right away.
Good post Napalm, especially about the economical side of things. Going T1 means you are open to armor from OKW. Saving for T3 or T4 is pricey so as Soviets, you go T2 for the AT gun or Guards doctrines for the light AT. This makes your force very immobile because you'll be relying on infantry and AT guns to do your dirty work until the call-ins arrive
M3 is decent counter but you have to tech in order to get it while the Kubel can be spawned right away.
'Rapes' is a bit of a stretch. It forces the the Soviet to go T1 which costs fuel and MP, than additional fuel and MP to get the scout car. The OKW has already won the economy war. The real fun begins when/if the OKW player goes for a flack AA/Puma/Luch. The Soviet player will more than likely have to go T2 which will further delay teching to armor.
A resounding OKW victory in the economy and teching progression front.
If it is going to continue to perform as it is, it needs to cost 5 fuel.
Good post Napalm, especially about the economical side of things. Going T1 means you are open to armor from OKW. Saving for T3 or T4 is pricey so as Soviets, you go T2 for the AT gun or Guards doctrines for the light AT. This makes your force very immobile because you'll be relying on infantry and AT guns to do your dirty work until the call-ins arrive
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
7 Oct 2014, 15:27 PM
#27
1 Posts: 112
This Issue is all ready in the Issue Tracker https://trello.com/b/n9Gdhc9f/coh2-issue-tracker
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7 Oct 2014, 22:28 PM
#28
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
I love how now the Unit is overpowered since birthDoes nobody remember the time where it was a driving cart made out of cardbox?
Because we had a low health 35 range with HUGE pathfinding problems. You couldn't drag a proper conclusion when you didn't have control over the unit.
Once they fixed the pathfinding, only ONE change should had been done. Either HP increase, range or supression, not all of them.
AND i'm still surprises no ones talks about it's vet 1 ability which i'm gonna make a new thread now.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
7 Oct 2014, 22:58 PM
#29
Posts: 665
'Rapes' is a bit of a stretch. It forces the the Soviet to go T1 which costs fuel and MP, than additional fuel and MP to get the scout car. The OKW has already won the economy war. The real fun begins when/if the OKW player goes for a flack AA/Puma/Luch. The Soviet player will more than likely have to go T2 which will further delay teching to armor.
A resounding OKW victory in the economy and teching progression front.
If it is going to continue to perform as it is, it needs to cost 5 fuel.
Yeah, Soviets can counter it but it's not like it's a significant investment for OKW. The thing costs no fuel at all, if you get any economical advantage out of it it hs already paid for itself.
Against US, it's just ridiculous. Unless the OKW player derps massively and lets you flank, you literally cannot do anything but sit in green cover/garrison until the M20 arrives. For a 240 MP investment, it's absurdly effective. And which faction happens to have the best garrison-clearing early game unit again? Yep...
7 Oct 2014, 23:22 PM
#30
Posts: 1158
The kubel was already fixed with the last patch. There are no problems now with it locking players in their base at the start of the match or suppressing on the move.
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
8 Oct 2014, 02:27 AM
#31
Posts: 2070
The kubel was already fixed with the last patch. There are no problems now with it locking players in their base at the start of the match or suppressing on the move.
wait not sure if.... (hits report button)
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
8 Oct 2014, 05:18 AM
#32
Posts: 17891 | Subs: 8
The kubel was already fixed with the last patch. There are no problems now with it locking players in their base at the start of the match or suppressing on the move.
Of course there are no problems locking USF in base.
That part of overbuff wasn't reverted and it does it just as well as it did.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
8 Oct 2014, 05:42 AM
#33
Posts: 1248
i usually use rifle company to get a vet 1 rifle out for AT nades. But I don't think any of you would want to do that. Maybe try exploiting tank traps.
8 Oct 2014, 05:48 AM
#34
Posts: 2779
That is no units able to hunt snipers that much like in COH1 because COH2 doesn't have target table.
You cannot drive a 221 into a sniper and it is dead in 2 seconds.
And sniper team making this problem worse.
You cannot drive a 221 into a sniper and it is dead in 2 seconds.
And sniper team making this problem worse.
8 Oct 2014, 05:58 AM
#35
Posts: 2053
That is no units able to hunt snipers that much like in COH1 because COH2 doesn't have target table.
You cannot drive a 221 into a sniper and it is dead in 2 seconds.
And sniper team making this problem worse.
I actually liked the kubel for killing snipers when it had 0.5 burst fire/accuracy/whatever on the move last when it was buffed. It really was able to chase snipers and kill them. Now it has 0.1 on the move, and remains a suppressing monster machine. Id rather it have weak suppression, but be good at chasing units on the move (specifically snipers, i mean, cant there simply be a modifier just for killing snipers better with some units?) Its not like the kubel is needed later in the game for its suppression, if at all. Its rather redundant to bother arguing for kubel suppression. It doesnt scale, and simply overkills USF because USF doesnt start with anything to counter it (amazing design that had a year to be thought out).
8 Oct 2014, 10:04 AM
#36
Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2
Nerf RE ability to suppress in early game because it's gamebreaking and forcing Axis to retreat.
Give OKW Kubel which suppress for free which push Allies to retreat or even lock them in base.
Balance!
Give OKW Kubel which suppress for free which push Allies to retreat or even lock them in base.
Balance!
9 Oct 2014, 06:13 AM
#37
Posts: 108 | Subs: 1
Nerf RE ability to suppress in early game because it's gamebreaking and forcing Axis to retreat.
Give OKW Kubel which suppress for free which push Allies to retreat or even lock them in base.
Balance!
Did Relic insult German players whining about volley?
I mean, I get the issue with the ability, but you'd think it'd come hand in hand with buffs for RES. The price disparity between them, combat engineers and pioneers doesn't bear out in terms of combat viability.
9 Oct 2014, 08:32 AM
#38
7 Posts: 1664
Why haven't the M3 and M5 been reverted to their old penetration values which were nerfed specifically to favor the Kubelwagon? Relic will change all kinds of things in the game then revert one of them back and pay zero attention to the other changes. GENIUSES
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