Post 7/31 Patch Katyusha Test (see vid)

That is what happens at max range. That is about what it should do. You want it to do better, move it closer with support. Biased video, and does not even show any real problem.

That is what happens at max range. That is about what it should do. You want it to do better, move it closer with support. Biased video, and does not even show any real problem.

Do you even know what you are talking about?

why else would it be at the back of your base?

It's because of all that armor and HP the unit has. Don't really have to protect it now do we.

It's because of all that armor and HP the unit has. Don't really have to protect it now do we.

Drive forward while scouting with any unit. Select your barrage to fire somewhere, hold shift and click somewhere in your base. tada

It's because of all that armor and HP the unit has. Don't really have to protect it now do we.

This and also because before 31/7 patch it was doing insane damage at max range. In this video it's firing at about 80-90% range.

Drive forward while scouting with any unit. Select your barrage to fire somewhere, hold shift and click somewhere in your base. tada

You can get closer but it depends on the map. Like on langers south you can do that with little risk. In the north it's risky. Also, katyusha takes a while to fire it's full load. If you go closer you might get in range of a stuka just waiting for the opportunity.

Also if you get closer the firing cone will decrease, sometimes that is not desirable.

That is what happens at max range. That is about what it should do. You want it to do better, move it closer with support. Biased video, and does not even show any real problem.

How is his test video biased exactly?

Secondly the whole "fire it at close range" argument is equally nonsensical.

The KAT is an AREA DENIAL WEAPON.

Read that again before you start to make ridiculous claims about how you think it should be used vs how it actually functions.

First off it makes an extremely identifiable noise, shows up on the minimap, and now has absurd RNG chances to do something or maybe nothing to blobs.It also takes a full 20s to apply its damage vs the werfer or walking stuka that drop all of their instantly. Secondly the axis have fals that can pop out of a building and insta kill your expensive mobile arty piece as well as counter barrage on the stuka which will instantly destroy it. Oh and remember all those tanks with nitrous that can one shot it? There is a reason it is usually fired from max range.

So firing the damn thing at medium to close range is a laughable option to compensate for its pathetic post patch performance. It simply isn't useful or worth building for the chance to maybe take out a few infantry models.

Invised one post for flaming.

Tbh, it's performance is fine, but i dont think it needs that 110 cooldown.

Tbh, it's performance is fine, but i dont think it needs that 110 cooldown.

I kind of like the idea of longer cool down, so that they can't be spam-fired. Now one has to choose targets more carefully.

What is the cooldown on stuka?

I kind of like the idea of longer cool down, so that they can't be spam-fired. Now one has to choose targets more carefully.

What is the cooldown on stuka?

120.

But Stuka is more expensive so you can have 2 Katyushas while OKW player will probably never get 2 Stukas unless team game or at great advantage over opponent.

But Stuka is more expensive so you can have 2 Katyushas while OKW player will probably never get 2 Stukas unless team game or at great advantage over opponent.

You can get a stuka earlier than anyone can get a katyusha 8~ minutes.

But Stuka is more expensive so you can have 2 Katyushas while OKW player will probably never get 2 Stukas unless team game or at great advantage over opponent.

200/50+240/120+360/85+360/85 = 1160/340

200/40+390/100+390/100 = 980/240 (or /343 if you want to pretend you can't use the muni transfer if you want to rush the things).

You can get a stuka earlier than anyone can get a katyusha 8~ minutes.

So you get one extra salvo?

200/50+240/120+360/85+360/85 = 1160/340

200/40+390/100+390/100 = 980/240 (or /343 if you want to pretend you can't use the muni transfer if you want to rush the things).

I wasn't comparing tech cost.
You numbers don't show slower fuel gain for OKW player. You can only buff last 100 fuel, when the building is already done. Soviet player can buff its fuel gain as well getting fuel caches.

OKW player won't build 2 Stukas because he needs this fuel elsewhere while it is quite common for Soviet player to build 2 Katyushas.

But Stuka is more expensive so you can have 2 Katyushas while OKW player will probably never get 2 Stukas unless team game or at great advantage over opponent.

If I am not mistaken it costs 40fu to get the building and 100fu for stuka. Compared to Sov they need to spend 40 + 120 teching and then 85ful for katyusha. Even at 2/3 fuel income OKW can get stuka first, especially that the same building that makes the stuka has the convert ammo to fuel option.

Please see my post above^^

I wasn't comparing tech cost.

OKW player won't build 2 Stukas because he needs this fuel elsewhere while it is quite common for Soviet player to build 2 Katyushas.

See now you are going in the wrong direction. To make this short, a soviet player needs his fuel to make other things too, not just katyusha. For example, he needs fuel to make sc m3 early in the game. He needs to research at grenade or molotive. He needs to get a tank, etc. On most maps, when a sov player goes 2 katyusha, the OKW player can punish him for that.

Rocket Artillery Vehicles really should be doing less, overall, than Field Artillery pieces.

Especially considering the mobility of the former.

I think a rough benchmark of Field Artillery is a good thing to keep in mind when considering how "good" Rocket Artillery Vehicles finally even out to be.

See now you are going in the wrong direction. To make this short, a soviet player needs his fuel to make other things too, not just katyusha. For example, he needs fuel to make sc m3 early in the game. He needs to research at grenade or molotive. He needs to get a tank, etc. On most maps, when a sov player goes 2 katyusha, the OKW player can punish him for that.

I got planty games played as Soviet so you don't have to educate me on this.
If you're trying to say Soviet player can't field more than one Katyusha than my own experience and recent games I played state otherwise.

If you're comparing tech cost again then I'll repeat that I wasn't referring to the tech cost nor I find it relevant to how many units a player can field. It only determines how fast they will arrive.