State of the balance according to Imperial Dane

MGs were later imbedded into German squads in order to make up for the rate of fire deficiency due to American squads being equipped with Garands and BARs.

Obvously, it didn't work.

But nice try.

The funny thing is that you got it wrong again. The Allies were equipping their squads with BARs later on. Reason for that was the fire superiority of the MG34/42. xD

Btw.: You were posting some kind of Murica fuck yeah Garand reenactors. They stood there just to show off their Garand. This is actually how fast you can fire a Kar98k.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haf9QURxO4E

^^

Too naive, Affe. Wiki is not a source. And you never consider POWs, which is part of war. The Germans took so few POWs after 1942 since they lost constantly.

They were decent 'tactically' (decent tactical units) but very poor strategically and operationally by 44-45. That makes their generalship terrible and their war doctrine bankrupt. They were awful at offensive operations as well, and could only defend.

You really need to study more about how the war was actually fought- I've seen you post this bogus argument too many times!

To close this thread-in-a-thread:

just google "human wave doctrine" or play hearts of iron 3 and you understand why the allies/soviet union won the war.

And can all these WWII experts go back to the scrap yard? Go back to the topic.

This is a game. If you want to argue go to a WWII video on Youtube.

Van: Dat Soviet Spam. Definately in my least 5 things I would ever want to eat...

Well that's American spam with a Russian label

They also do Russian "mystery meat", which is the local produced stuff (now represented by Corned Beef)

http://reprorations.com/Russia%20WW2/Russia%20WW%202.htm


Damn, I'm hungry now

I wonder why is he in the beta then....

TBh, Ciez was the biggest detractor to beta. Never seen a guy with so much brown-nosing, "yes-saying" and such a passive -aggressive and disrespectful attitude towards other contributors.

A real snake in the grass.

Well that's American spam with a Russian label

They also do Russian "mystery meat", which is the local produced stuff (now represented by Corned Beef)

http://reprorations.com/Russia%20WW2/Russia%20WW%202.htm

Damn, I'm hungry now

If I read the label correctly, that was produced in Russia, so its not just a relabelled can of American produced SPAM.
Says its made in a Leningrad factory(modern day St.Petersburg)

Edited to add: I found rhe original image source:
http://reprorations.com/Russia%20WW2/Russia%20WW%202.htm

So that is a modern produced "replica". Doesnt say where the meat is from, but it has been simply labelled, today, wtih a replica label.

I live in Russia now, I can say the tinned foodstuffs haven't changed much since those times 0_o You'd have to be damn hungry to eat the mystery meat "tushenoe myaso". It's more like a failed abortion in a tin with jelly. Like they threw a pig into a Sherman mine-flail and put the still-quivering pieces in the can. Yum. Still available in stores!

just google "human wave doctrine" or play hearts of iron 3 and you understand why the allies/soviet union won the war.

Hearts of Iron 3 is subject to significant axis-favored game balancing for purposes of multiplayer as well as to make up for it's inability to realistically simulate the fall of france through other means. The Wehrmacht often simply bashes it's way directly through the Maginot line, and even when it attacks Benelux usually just advances forward in a line, not attempting any encirclements and allowing the allies to retreat in good order. Had this moronic battle plan been attempted in real life, the Germans would have played right into the Allied hands, been unable to sustain it's war industry and collapsed by 1942-3, even without soviet assistance.

If you want a realistic simulation, try Gary Grigsby's War in the East: Don to the Danube. Adam Tooze's The Wages of Destruction is a good illustration of the economic problems facing the Reich and illustrates quite well why the German war effort was doomed to fail. With all that said, I think you're being awfully dismissive of the Allied efforts in the war. They did not simply zerg rush the Germans with densely packed infantry. It's particularly insulting to the Soviet forces, who executed some of the most brilliant offensives in history in the final years of the war to decisively crush the German war machine.

TBh, Ciez was the biggest detractor to beta. Never seen a guy with so much brown-nosing, "yes-saying" and such a passive -aggressive and disrespectful attitude towards other contributors.

A real snake in the grass.

Wait, what? Can't remember that you were ever in the Beta and I never heard anyone in the group complain about CieZ, so I assume that's a completely made up remark.

Edited because there's no point in continuing the realism vs balance discussion

If you want a realistic simulation, try Gary Grigsby's War in the East: Don to the Danube. Adam Tooze's The Wages of Destruction is a good illustration of the economic problems facing the Reich and illustrates quite well why the German war effort was doomed to fail. With all that said, I think you're being awfully dismissive of the Allied efforts in the war. They did not simply zerg rush the Germans with densely packed infantry. It's particularly insulting to the Soviet forces, who executed some of the most brilliant offensives in history in the final years of the war to decisively crush the German war machine.

Rzev did had human wave tactics but thats more of a problem outdated soviet infantry doctrine even so it costed the soviets dearly with nearly 1:10 casualties. And safe for Bragration their is not a single soviet operation i can respect. it nearly always was a 1:1 ratio. Also victories where only achieved by massive amount of advantages that where partly provided by the western allies. without landlease the soviet union would have collapsed in 1941 as mobility would have been crippled without the tens oof thousands of trucks provided by America.

But the greatest problem of the soviet army is was their inability to learn from their mistakes. Take for example the the t-34 which was one of worst tanks of the war it took the soviets nearly 3 years and 35k of loses to finally put the t-34/85 out.

But the greatest problem of the soviet army is was their inability to learn from their mistakes. Take for example the the t-34 which was one of worst tanks of the war it took the soviets nearly 3 years and 35k of loses to finally put the t-34/85 out.

HAHAHAHAHA. lol. Just lol

Take for example the the t-34 which was one of worst tanks of the war it took the soviets nearly 3 years and 35k of loses to finally put the t-34/85 out.

Rzev did had human wave tactics but thats more of a problem outdated soviet infantry doctrine even so it costed the soviets dearly with nearly 1:10 casualties. And safe for Bragration their is not a single soviet operation i can respect. it nearly always was a 1:1 ratio. Also victories where only achieved by massive amount of advantages that where partly provided by the western allies. without landlease the soviet union would have collapsed in 1941 as mobility would have been crippled without the tens oof thousands of trucks provided by America.

But the greatest problem of the soviet army is was their inability to learn from their mistakes. Take for example the the t-34 which was one of worst tanks of the war it took the soviets nearly 3 years and 35k of loses to finally put the t-34/85 out.

Such non-sense made my day. The Red Army did not learn from their mistakes of 1941? Zhukov had no Strategic Brilliance? T-34 the worst tank?! Now I've heard everything...

Such non-sense made my day. The Red Army did not learn from their mistakes of 1941? Zhukov had no Strategic Brilliance? T-34 the worst tank?! Now I've heard everything...

The red army learnded very slowly from their mistakes. Zhukov was a decent general but he was also very predictable and linear and got tripped up very badly by better German generals like Heinrici , Model and Manstein. The worst defeat the soviets suffered at Kiev happened under his watch the the Rhzev meat grinder also happened under his command.

The t-34 for that matter is shrouded in shiny myths. take away the shiny myths and look on the numbers you will be horrified. i can write and entire essay why the t-34 is worst tank in ww2 but lets take 1941 where the t-34 supposed to have no equal. Yet of the 2800 t-34's 2200 got knocked out half of them caused by the p3 with its 50 mm gun.

Also van Voort and Burts if you dont know shit about ww2 do no comment you are looking like idiots. because a quick check on the internet can easily confirm what im posting.

It has the holy trifecta of Armour, Mobility and Firepower.


It is also easy to produce


Let down by bad ergonomics, lack of radio and indifferent crew training


Not especially reliable, but equally reliable no matter what the weather is



Not my tank of choice if I want to go Michael Wittman on somebody, but more than adaquate to equip an army


If you want to do an essay telling me that is worse than, for example:

Fiat 3000

Matilda I

FT-17

Please do, I could do with a laugh

It has the holy trifecta of Armour, Mobility and Firepower.


It is also easy to produce


Let down by bad ergonomics, lack of radio and indifferent crew training


Not especially reliable, but equally reliable no matter what the weather is

Easy to produce but only on a 1:2 ratio in favour for the soviets . but they where lost on a 1: 3 ratio. If the allies where not mucking things up for axis on the western front the soviets would run out of tanks in 1944. This tank was causing them to lose the war so its not a good tank no matter if you manage to produce more.

Also the most important part of the tank is the crew. you are not allowed to lose experienced tankers on that ratio.

This is such nonsense. ''Run out of tanks''? You do realize they kept producing them with a vengeance even in 1945 because Soviet production facilities were intact, while the Germans insisted on using their few remaining infrastructure on producing over-engineered panzerporn that broke down all the time, when it wasn't bombed to oblivion by Allied air superiority, and outside of a few battles didn't even perform all that well?

But yeah, sure, keep thinking the Soviets had poor equipment and no tactics. They must have won the war by sheer luck, I presume.

Also, talking about ''human wave tactics'' is just laughable . Who formed things like the Volksgrenadiers and Volkssturm and sent them to die in droves with minimal training again?

This is such nonsense. ''Run out of tanks''? You do realize they kept producing them with a vengeance even in 1945 because Soviet production facilities were intact, while the Germans insisted on using their few remaining infrastructure on producing over-engineered panzerporn that broke down all the time, when it wasn't bombed to oblivion by Allied air superiority, and outside of a few battles didn't even perform all that well?

But yeah, sure, keep thinking the Soviets had poor equipment and no tactics. They must have won the war by sheer luck, I presume.

Also, talking about ''human wave tactics'' is just laughable . Who formed things like the Volksgrenadiers and Volkssturm and sent them to die in droves with minimal training again?

1. you fail at math. read what im saying again then try again. Second im trying to point out that the red army doesnt get much praise from because the allies saved their behinds big time and not only with air raids but a second front and land lease. If their where no western allies the soviets would likely lose the war. good thing the ami's where their to safe them.

And this is not glorifying the ami's they made plenty of mistakes themselves. But without their support i doubt the soviet union would be able to last through 1942

Such non-sense made my day. The Red Army did not learn from their mistakes of 1941? Zhukov had no Strategic Brilliance? T-34 the worst tank?! Now I've heard everything...

No, no! Dear Chap! Trust me on this!

I have sat though 18 months of these threads, sometimes shell-shocked, - but when the Kampfgruppe PingPing, with the Dave and Porygon are in full stride, to coin a quaint phrase,"you aint heard nothing yet"

Beyond that- there was few, if any German divisions that were up to US/CW standards in terms of combat effectiveness in 1944-1945.

There was the 2nd, 116th, 11th, and 21st that posed the most problems- that's about it. The wehrmacht was inferior at a qualitative level as well during this point in time.

Adam Tooze's The Wages of Destruction is a good illustration of the economic problems facing the Reich and illustrates quite well why the German war effort was doomed to fail. With all that said, I think you're being awfully dismissive of the Allied efforts in the war. They did not simply zerg rush the Germans with densely packed infantry. It's particularly insulting to the Soviet forces, who executed some of the most brilliant offensives in history in the final years of the war to decisively crush the German war machine.

I'm a senior contributor to a WW2 forum and I read books. You learn about WW2 via videogames? no wonder

To close this thread-in-a-thread:

just google "human wave doctrine" or play hearts of iron 3 and you understand why the allies/soviet union won the war.
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