Hi Guys
im sure some of you guys have experienced this glitch/ design issue.
when playing as the Germans and you have an MG-42 garrisoned in a building, the soviet player will naturally send conscripts in to Molotov the MG out of the building, now as a player i see this and attempt to retreat my MG before i loose the whole squad, but its impossible, it takes to long,firstly the MG has to pack up before exiting the building then it automatically sets its self up again outside the building then i have to pack it up a third time and press retreat, in that time two conscript squads or maybe even one surrounding the building can easily de-crew the weapon before it can retreat
i don't know if im doing something wrong or if its a glitch with the game as an MG team shouldn't have to pack and unpack its self 3 times to retreat from a building
thanks guys
MG-42 retreating issue
18 Jun 2014, 07:36 AM
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18 Jun 2014, 07:41 AM
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When in a building you can tell the MG to get out and move to a particular spot, rather than tell the building that everyone inside needs to get out. Doing that should help.
18 Jun 2014, 07:56 AM
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When in a building you can tell the MG to get out and move to a particular spot, rather than tell the building that everyone inside needs to get out. Doing that should help.
Yeah, don't just mash down on the "Exit" button (or de-garrison or whatever it is). Pretty sure you need to click the building, click the icon of the MG, then either press "D" or click the Exit button, then click where you want the MG to go. That will stop it from setting up in some nonsense direction the moment it steps outside. If you tell the MG to exit to a certain point (the cursor will change to an open-top rectangle), you can select it while it is en route to the new location and give it a retreat order.
It is usually a panic move and reliant on muscle memory, so that may be totally the wrong order of button presses, but hopefully it will help to know that it IS possible!
18 Jun 2014, 08:12 AM
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Do what computerheat suggested ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Select building, click unit, order to move away from building, reselect unit, hit retreat. Tell it to move to the side you want to retreat towards, and it will often take a safer exit
Select building, click unit, order to move away from building, reselect unit, hit retreat. Tell it to move to the side you want to retreat towards, and it will often take a safer exit
18 Jun 2014, 08:18 AM
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Yes, you are right, but in vCOH an MG42 could beretreated from a building more easily and didn't stupidly deploy at the entrance. This is annoying and even if can be avoided it should not exist in the game. The Mg should not automatically deploy at building's exits.
18 Jun 2014, 08:41 AM
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Permanently BannedSame problem with maxim here
18 Jun 2014, 09:07 AM
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Yes, you are right, but in vCOH an MG42 could beretreated from a building more easily and didn't stupidly deploy at the entrance. This is annoying and even if can be avoided it should not exist in the game. The Mg should not automatically deploy at building's exits.
You're right that there's an issue here but you're wrong about what the issue is.
There should not be a worthless "exit" button on the UI, the game should teach all players the proper way of exiting buildings via movement commands which lets you pick which side the units go out of and does not force deploys right after it.
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18 Jun 2014, 09:13 AM
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A little OT but the long pack up times and the inability to choose where the MG42 is facing when garrisoned is enough to not place it inside buildings anyway 
18 Jun 2014, 09:19 AM
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There should not be a worthless "exit" button on the UI, the game should teach all players the proper way of exiting buildings via movement commands which lets you pick which side the units go out of and does not force deploys right after it.
You're right, but it would still be better if that auto deploymenet at building exit wouldn't exist, in my opinion.
18 Jun 2014, 11:49 AM
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Select unit
Click it far away from building
???
Profit
It also allows you to choose which side of the building you want to exit from.
Click it far away from building
???
Profit
It also allows you to choose which side of the building you want to exit from.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
18 Jun 2014, 12:23 PM
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A little OT but the long pack up times and the inability to choose where the MG42 is facing when garrisoned is enough to not place it inside buildings anyway
My thoughts exactly. Almost every time I am stupid enough to place a MG-Squad in a building I'm regretting it horribly.
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18 Jun 2014, 12:25 PM
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Same problem with maxim here
But a maxim is far more likely to survive as it has more quad members and half the development time
18 Jun 2014, 17:15 PM
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To expedite the process, select the building, hit TAB then right click outside or even better assign hotkeys to your units so you can tap it's hotkey and right click somewhere on the map.
18 Jun 2014, 18:00 PM
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There should not be a worthless "exit" button on the UI, the game should teach all players the proper way of exiting buildings via movement commands which lets you pick which side the units go out of and does not force deploys right after it.
The exit button is great if you need troops out now and not 5 seconds from now.
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18 Jun 2014, 18:19 PM
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The exit button is great if you need troops out now and not 5 seconds from now.
The process of doing what we're saying takes no longer then 0.5sec, unless you're really slow.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
18 Jun 2014, 18:58 PM
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But a maxim is far more likely to survive as it has more quad members and half the development time
Depends. The Maxim has a problem where every time the gunner dies, someone new has to pick up the Maxim, whereas the MG42 just teleports to a surviving squad member, allowing it to retreat right away.
Those six members surely help against mortars and snipers (or not even that, Wehr sniper has a higher ROF to compensate for difference in squad size), but that's about it.
18 Jun 2014, 18:59 PM
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Pressing D and then a spot on the map is faster than clicking the exit button.
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18 Jun 2014, 19:00 PM
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Depends. The Maxim has a problem where every time the gunner dies, someone new has to pick up the Maxim, whereas the MG42 just teleports to a surviving squad member, allowing it to retreat right away.
Those six members surely help against mortars and snipers (or not even that, Wehr sniper has a higher ROF to compensate for difference in squad size), but that's about it.
Well this is due primarily to the Occult division of Ostheer. The same reason Pak43s shoot through buildings and you can cast a spell at HQ to gain vet.....
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
18 Jun 2014, 19:22 PM
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Depends. The Maxim has a problem where every time the gunner dies, someone new has to pick up the Maxim, whereas the MG42 just teleports to a surviving squad member, allowing it to retreat right away.
And the MG 42 has an issue where if the gunner is killed while set up or packing up, the crew cannot retreat and must walk over to the gun and restart the packing animation. It's possible to 'trap' a retreating MG 42 and kill it that way.
Well this is due primarily to the Occult division of Ostheer. The same reason Pak43s shoot through buildings and you can cast a spell at HQ to gain vet.....
I just imagine it being like the scene from Band of Brothers. "Put a couple of shells through that building, you're gonna see 'em real good" "I'm telling you he's right there!".
Only the difference is the Pak 43 doesn't give a shit about property damage and does as he's told, unlike the tank commander in BoB
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18 Jun 2014, 20:24 PM
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And the MG 42 has an issue where if the gunner is killed while set up or packing up, the crew cannot retreat and must walk over to the gun and restart the packing animation. It's possible to 'trap' a retreating MG 42 and kill it that way.
Hmm, weird. My point was actually that what you describe is what happens to the Maxim, and that the MG42 doesn't have this problem. At least, I haven't seen it happen, but maybe I'm wrong. What I do know though, is that I lose Maxims far more often to flanks than I lose MG42s
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